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[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hey, first, my apologies. I read your graphic as being in response to the OP, maybe I had my screen zoomed in a little but while my point still stands I think, it has more than a little bit different emphasis to it in that case.

Anyway, I wholeheartedly agree that the leader needs to LEAD. Which is why, regardless of partisan politicking, if Biden or his advisors assess that he is too weak to do the job anymore, for whatever reason (sickness, maybe he was poisoned even, I'm not trying to start a conspiracy here just saying that regardless of anything that would be his "fault"), then part of the job is that he step down in such a case?

Risking things is good and all, when done properly. But stepping down in such a case would not be "timidity", so much as being genuinely honest with oneself about the realities of the particular situation under consideration. i.e. these aren't merely butterflies in one's stomach i.e. performance anxiety that needs to be overcome - this is real, actual risk assessment of pros vs. cons for each of the paths forward, and strategically picking the one that offers the highest likelihood of success.

Steadfastness is a virtue, but stubbornness is a weakness. Hold fast to what is true, not refuse to budge merely bc you have no capacity to do otherwise.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online -1 points 1 year ago

Excellently articulated. Perhaps there's a simple explanation for all of this - perhaps he's sick, or if we really want to get conspiratorial, even maliciously poisoned? (I'm trying to convey something that would be outside of his control hence not remotely his fault in any way.)

The thing is, it doesn't matter. He could have cancelled the debate altogether, but instead he rushed through it. This seems reminiscent of his handling of the withdrawal from Afghanistan, which tbf was 99.9% Trump's deal, except the handling of it was Biden's, and revealed some about his personality, to ignore his advisors and substitute his own knowledge for theirs. Which is fine, it's his prerogative as President to do exactly that, except... he was wrong. The first and basically only job of a leader is to pick good advisors and listen to them, so as to be correct. (Then, if time, train someone else to do likewise.)

This is also reminiscent of Bill Clinton's handling of his sexual scandals - it happens, but then he went and lied about it to the Supreme Court, which was a whole other thing.

So now, people are - FOR SOME REASON - not quite trusting that what Biden is saying is truthful. Maybe he means well, maybe it really is temporary, but again, none of that is relevant. He needs to reassure people, if not last week's opportunity then create some new one, that he really does have what it takes to go the distance and be the leader of the United States of America for the next four years.

Fuck, I'm freaking out, bc Trump is going to win.:-( Anyway, thank you for keeping your head about you as the rest of us lose ours - your calm and cogent analyses of things are helpful to read:-).

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 1 points 1 year ago

Before I forget: Pete Buttigieg. Or maybe now would be a really good time to bring forth AOC? Yeah so they don't like it, but they may like life under Trump even worse, so... anyway it's a thought? Or get creative, fucking put in Liz Cheney or fucking Mitt fucking Romney 🤮, rather than Trump. In any case, the article brought up some really great points, I thought, namely that Harris is the only one who legally would be able to access the giant war chest that was prepared for the incumbent, plus she would become the incumbent if he were to step down, allowing the entire world to assess her capabilities to govern the USA prior to voting. I get that she is nobody's first thought to actually run on her own, but this scenario put forth is more than a little different, for a variety of reasons.

Understand that these pieces cause real damage to his chances if he isn’t replaced, so you’d best have even 1 person in mind.

I'm sorry, but I really do not understand this. We agree so much, so I am going to go out on a limb and let myself be vulnerable here, and push to ask for clarification. Maybe you are sea-lioning me, but okay I'll give it a genuine chance. Preemptively I need to say that I may be insensitive in my wording at times too - these are highly emotional matters and my zeal for truth can be a bit much for some. So here goes: it sounds like you are saying that we need to all collectively (a) lie and (b) actively cover up the truth, so that we say that we cannot see what we see with our very own eyes, for the sake of winning? Don't get me wrong, sometimes that's mandatory I suppose - the Anne Frank scenario - but what I mean here is not whether it's okay or not, but whether that thinking applies here.

Young people especially have seen the debate already, or clips of it (see e.g. this one) - the cat is out of that bag already? By openly acknowledging and actually dealing with the situation, we might stand a chance. Otherwise, just like vs. Hillary Clinton in 2016, Trump will win, yet again, and with the stakes far higher this time? This is also a little bit reminiscent of RBG's situation: she had the opportunity to step down, but chose not to? Well, perhaps that's not such a good comparison after all. Anyway, hypothetically, if Biden is not okay, then he "needs" to step down... right - what is wrong with that logical formulation, let's say that we presume that the first part is a given?

And if Biden is okay, well then, the best time to have proved that was during the debate (if he gets tired easily, maybe don't fly around the world right before it? except supposedly that was literally weeks prior and he did have lots of time to rest?!), but the second best time is right the fucking now, is it not?! Hold a press conference and stand up for 3 hours straight making cogent points the entire time - PROVE to us all that he's not sliding into dementia, but that it really, truly, honestly, genuinely was merely a bad day? We all have those after all, that part is true... the real concern is whether that is merely an excuse to cover up for the reality that that was not the case?

i.e., if your argument is that we're going to pretend to vote for Biden, while in reality we are actually voting for Harris, then what is the harm in bringing her forth now, letting everyone see how capable she would be, and thus assuaging people's fears? Otherwise it's just more lies, more bullshit, and thereby more people - especially the youth and the halfway independents (including a handful of conservatives who will jump at the chance to vote for almost anyone other than Biden, but they would prefer not-Trump, though they also would hesitate to pick Harris, or Biden at his current age) - that will not turn up at the polls. Then watch as we all blame them for not voting, and collectively forgetting that we had the opportunity to try to earn their votes, but chose not to. People can downvote me and talk back here that I am not screaming "blue no matter who" loudly enough for their tastes... but our Fedi echo-chamber cannot force those people to vote how "we" may want? So it comes down to: at what point would we rather have ~~Hillary~~ Biden lose, than to see ~~Trump~~ Trump win?

Well, that's one interpretation anyway, that the article explores in much greater depth than I am capable of covering personally. It's not like I can do anything about any of this personally, I just thought it was interesting is all.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 3 points 1 year ago

The mainstream media is bought by the trillionaires, so I'm mostly ignoring them.

I thought The Atlantic was basically the last one left. Even The Guardian has encroached first into clickbait titles and now several paragraphs at the top of clickbait content even if the latter part of an article can finally get into real stuff. So it is in transition as it finishes off the enshittification process it already began.

But The Atlantic... I hold to a different standard, in my mind, and when they speak, I still listen. Perhaps I shouldn't - can you point to an example from them that shows that they have jumped the shark too? The Atlantic isn't in the same class as e.g. the NYT!!?! They are still worthwhile (I thought?)!

So media aside, people - especially young people that don't have the personal history with political matters - they watched the debate, or saw clips of its worst moments. They see this shit with their own eyes. It's not just the media doing a hit job, as has been true in the past. This time it's real.

Asking your President to remain awake during a conversation, especially one prepared for literally weeks to months in advance does not sound like bullshit to me. Rather it sounds like the basic foundation for any job that I've ever had personally, and have ever so much as heard of.

Perhaps Biden('s people) should not have agreed to a debate in this format, giving only 2 minutes for each question, that favored Trump's style of false but pithy statements? Nonetheless, he did agree...

Also I'm not saying he's senile, though I would like for a real test to be done. In any case, can we agree that it doesn't matter at this point? Doing the debate in that manner caused a LOT of harm to his campaign. Maybe I'm just not stating it in the right words, but that's more along the lines of what I mean...

In more detail: we cannot control people. Hillary Clinton failed to earn sufficient votes, and Trump won in 2016. Now, is Biden repeating the same pattern? Vote Blue No Matter Who is an authoritarian dogma - but we have no power to enforce it. People, especially the youth, will do as they please. The only hope is to try to earn it? That's going to be a LOT more difficult now, than it was prior to the debate...

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I see that Worf managed to leave Alex behind...

Can we somehow do the same with Wesley this time?

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[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you have a logical argument to make, we're listening.

Trump must be beat. Biden does not seem like he has it in him to do so. Maybe he simply had a bad day? Except bullshit, bc he's in charge of his own schedule - why not rest for a week or three after his global trips and then have the debate? Oh wait, he did. Like Bill Clinton's sexual scandals, the action itself is less important than lying about it afterwards.

He's in charge of the nuclear football. And many other things. If he can't handle having a bad day, especially after weeks of resting, that worries me. Trump worries me more. Therefore it seems relevant that we cannot control other people, only ourselves. We've been down this road before, when the entire Democratic party went all-in behind Hillary fucking Clinton, and that did not turn out so well. And now here we do it again.

To be clear, if Biden doesn't step down, I will still support him - blue no matter who - however not everyone feels that way, especially younger people who might otherwise vote for ~~Bernie~~ Harris, but not ~~Hillary~~ Biden.

Anyway, I thought it was an interesting article that set forth some thoughts to consider. Obviously none of this will actually happen. The wealthy elites have blessed Biden and their decision is final, it seems. Just like in 2016, we have neoliberalism vs. fascism, with the stakes rising each time, round 3, go! After that we can continue our Russian Roulette round 4 a few years down the road again. The catch is: assuming we make it past this round. We didn't in 2016.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Tbf it really did seem a conspiracy theory back when it started. He used to be fairly energetic, despite being old. But, time passes.

The problem now is that unlike conservatives, liberals don't take as kindly to being lied to, and to say that he's both too old to speak and also not too old to be President... it just doesn't sit right.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 2 points 1 year ago

Good points. I was thinking along the lines that youth votes might enjoy someone who could finish uttering a sentence, which neither of the current candidates can, really. And then the like 10 other people across the entire nation that because of the Electoral College, get to decide our collective fates.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

There is a famous saying: "the buck stops here".

It means that when someone is in charge, they assume responsibility for whatever happens under their command, rather than whinging about it being not their fault.

Trump seems to have never heard of this quote. However, that is irrelevant now bc as a former President, what are we expecting of him? Rather, we have expectations for the current one, which are either being met or they are... not.

Your graphic does not explain why it is not the job of a leader to do things to protect the democracy of this nation?

Oh well, soon enough there may not be political parties anymore and we won't have to worry about any of this.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online -4 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I mean did you...

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thing, you know the thing, that does the stuff?

Please note, I'm not suggesting to not vote Democrat. Also, the sleepy Joe stuff back then was different than it was here during this debate?

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

She will never run, so moving on.

Could this be a good time to advance AOC? Probably the hit jobs done on her rep were too effective though.

What about Pete Buttigieg? Conservatives will never vote for him, ofc, but I don't know about the handful of people that actually matter.

Hey, if we are swallowing our noses, would Liz Cheney have a better chance against Trump? It's sort of like chopping off both of your arms but... given the alternatives facing us atm - Trump vs. hope against facts that somehow Biden will beat Trump, which is starting to look like just another road to Trump - it might be worth a gamble despite everything? Or fucking Mitt fucking Romney (fucking)? 🤮

Basically it's Trump vs. whoever isn't Trump. Then we re-do all of this over again 4 years from now, or really 2 bc of midterm elections.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online -1 points 1 year ago

People kept telling me that Trump will win and I kept fighting it, but it seems that you cannot escape facts: conservatives pull together, when it counts, whereas liberals eat their own.

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