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This will be beautiful. One downside is that it will need more maintenance costs, i.e. you can't just walk away from it for years at a time, especially if it were somewhere that poison ivy could start to grow. But definitely an uplifting positive direction to be heading in!:-)

I haven't read deeply enough into EI yet to get into the psychopath issue, but e.g. this and others seem to suggest that not only do psychopaths have wobbly EI scores depending on whether they want to participate or not, but that those tests are not good to begin with, reflecting more whether someone is willing to give the socially acceptable answer, or dare to (admit to being) different. In either case, I was thinking before more along the lines of an "emotional health" than actual processing ability, so I guess I was wrong about the definition of EI, though it's nonetheless interesting (to me:-) to see how central that issue apparently is.

Even so, "Power" is defined as the ability to do work. IQ has given us nuclear technology, which unlike EI grants us a power that we never had before - the ability to end human habitation on this (or any specific) planet. Thus IQ can be misused as well. EI grants people power too, but either way it's up to the (ab)user to decide how they want to use their power, regardless of its source. And if EI really has caused more harm & suffering than IQ, then that is all the more evidence that it is more powerful.

But perhaps this is all a false dichotomy - if IQ and EI are components of a vector, then is IQ the amplitude and EI is the orientation? So like, IQ makes a gun but EI is the one who decides who the weapon gets pointed at - maybe even back at ourselves? Importantly, IQ is societally cumulative, so before we made the gun, we still had access to a knife, and before that a rock, and before that our fists. But maybe EI is societally cumulative as well? That part I'm not certain about, except so many people lack it (but then again so many lack IQ as well:-), that it seems more difficult to preserve and pass on between generations.

Which might not be true except locally in our history - i.e. with the recent (in historical timescales) advent of the internet, knowledge (IQ) became much more readily available, but now that we are in the mis-information era, that may no longer be true moving forward. "Secret knowledge", like that vaccines actually work and help you live for nearly a hundred years, rather than being witchcraft among peoples who if they live to be thirty may be considered "elderly" (bc who wants an aging worker class slave, possibly actually learning things and as a result getting "uppity"). Perhaps EI has always been more along those lines - some things work well, others don't, and the truth being buried amidst the misinformation, hence (safe-)guarded and preserved by fewer people within each population? I dunno, that's getting too theoretical, but I found the thought interesting at least:-).

In any case, whether my analogy with a vector is way off base or not - perhaps it is too specific and it is rather more like IQ and EI are simply different routes to Power, the ability to change things via different methods - anyway, it does seem that any discussion of IQ lacks something crucial if it does not also include EI as well.

It's game theory terminology, like flight is a "strategy", not that the bird (or bacterial spore or whatever) has the slightest clue about what it's doing.

It sounds better than "what works is what works", I guess.

Knowing the correct thing to do that will fix things (high IQ, e.g. making a vaccine), yet not doing it (low EI, like refusing to take said vaccine), leads to bad outcomes. Conversely, I've never seen anyone fired for being unintelligent (low IQ) who was willing to work with their employer (high EI).

Like making a nuke is great, but knowing when to use it - and more importantly when not to - is even better? And today's version: IQ resulted in climate change, yet will it now save us, or will we need to develop some EI as a culture or species to survive the massive issues facing our entire planet?

EI seems more mandatory to exist, while IQ... is great and fun and all, but not anywhere close to being on the same level. At least, that's what shows such as Star Trek taught me:-).

Maybe we can say that EI is necessary for longevity, while IQ provides more the spikes in processing power to get through a particular task in front of you. But even there, most tasks that people associate with "intelligence" have rather more to do with sheer dedication than anything else - e.g. math ability relates to patience to learn from constant mistakes especially those made early on prior to building up confidence, studies show. That patience helps you learn math, which literally makes you smarter (legitimately, bc it increases your capabilities).

Ergo even though intelligence is measured as IQ, it appears not to be a foundational but rather at least in large measure a derived characteristic for people. Which is why I was saying that EI trumps it: e.g. a genius who committs suicide helps nobody. But yes, locally there are times when IQ is more important, ofc.

I did not do that look, but indeed that sounds bad. And yes, it might be nice to have at least the option to create a closed space.

Part of the issue though was whether the mod was banning people for offering so much as a singular downvote - crucially (imho): in some other community. Downvotes are part of the normal functionality of the Fediverse, but if people thought that they could be banned for such, then they could avoid them, thereby lessening the functionality of the Fediverse.

And all the more so when the decision was not reviewed by human eyes. And again even more so when the mod in question was becoming unhinged, refusing to communicate with their fellow mods. And even more so again, trying to ban even instance admins who literally own the machines upon which the Lemmy code is being run.

So... lots of drama. Just like watching a TV show I guess.

The host OS is likewise limited, but more by hardware, so it might be a small performance tradeoff, depending on whether, as you brought up, you need Linux to be ultimately in control rather than to simply run some software.

So that would not always work, ofc... but it sometimes would!:-)

Well, remember this is social media - we aren't here to read, but to talk. This gives something for people to talk about, sharing their opinions and such. Also, if it were even possible to read the comments in time order, you'd see people solving the puzzle as it went - first a question was asked, several people put forth different answers, and it snowballed forward from there.

As for why people care - why do any of us like anything? Books, games, movies, etc., it's all a variety of entertainment to distract us from our real lives:-P.

Don't forget about different types of intelligence. There's sharpness, memory, puzzle solving, and so much more - someone could be extremely high in one category and abysmal in another.

But what seems to trump them all is emotional intelligence, which has almost next to nothing to do with normal intelligence? Or rather, has more to do with being raised by parents and oneself, I think bc wisdom (e.g. a willingness to learn from others' mistakes) has little to do with intelligence (the ability to spot mistakes on one's own, not necessarily coupled with a willingness to do so though).

Bc of all this, it's not so easy to simply judge someone as being "smarter" or "dumber". Though if they are making an extremely obvious mistake, or say something that took you a decade to puzzle out, then there's that evidence to go on - sometimes the other person makes it very easy to see who they are, at least in that moment, in that specific sense of intelligence.

So you are aware of how much you do not know - sounds smarty to me! :-D

See also: Reverse Gish Gallop. I just had someone try to pull that on me yesterday in !linuxmemes@lemmy.world, i.e. they're everywhere.

That's the trick: they all are.:-)