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[–] Ooops@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This expansion is the last one although actually many more in the next decades were already approved and contracted, which got renegotiated with the energy companies. But of course this was already mispresented earlier this year when everyone reported on Germany destroying the village of Lützerath for their newly started coal digging when it was actually the last one (with half a dozen more similiar small villages originally scheduled for destruction more than a decade ago). But lobbyists pay to push lies and publications love the clicks for the popular outrage about evil Germans. Who cares for facts, anyway...

Those wind power plants were originally build with the knowledge that they have to be disassembeled in less than a decade again. Also those models proved to be very problematic and the company building them went out of business after only 4 years (since then there was only some auxiliary technical support from other companies).

Counter question: How economical is it to stop digging up coal today when the phase-out is 7 years away. They can either increase the pit or dig deeper. The latter is not only more expensive but also more damaging (pumping groundwater away from the hole etc.).

PS: A decade is also the usual life time of a wind power plant nowadays... After that time the gear boxes and blades need to be replaced and the foundation needs to be checked because of constant micro vibrations... In theory the installation itself could run up to 30 years but the technical development is still moving ahead so fast that replacing the whole thing with a newer and more efficient (also often bigger) model usually makes more sense than replacing parts to keep them running. So for now wind turbines are rather short-lived as their replacements see constant substantial improvements.

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Your first graph shows data up to 2022.

A does every single link you posted as a reply...

But sure... How about one from June 2023?

Or Germany's coal use of the last 8 years until mid-July 2023?

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"Wir sollten uns nicht in Transferleistungen überbieten"

Die CDU ist also plötzlich dagegen, Milliarden an Unternehmen zu verschenken und noch mehr Wohlstand von unten nach oben zu transferieren? Gut zu wissen...

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

No, they didn't and you are still parroting lies.

The actual reality of replacing nuclear and reducing coal with renewables.

Also the historic low of fossil fuels after nuclear shutdown (those old reactors not able to react well to changes in supply/demand actually got already existing renewables shut down at times and indirectly increased fossil fuel use slightly...)

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

The "costly" renewables that are actually so dirt cheap that nothing else can really compete and so lobbyists pay a lot of money to push a lie? Those renewables?

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah, the new year's incidents in Germany completely made up by the media. Those incidents are a regular occurence every year for decades and never actually linked to immigration. But you can of course ignore 95% of them and instead create weeks of creative storytelling out of one incident that isn't linked to immigrants either but at least happened in an area with a high share of immigrant residents to make up a nice fairy tale. Feel free to look it up.

If you are not afraid of autotranslating (DeepL nowadays is next to perfect (at least for German - English that I can assess myself)) here's a good break down of the media manipulation in Germany, with the stories then getting picked up internationally...

@Perkele
Nope. See above... You might remember the news. We remember the actual reality.

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Funny... how they always -just accidently of course- forget the context in these reports.

Yes, LNG increased from basically nothing (15mil m³) -because they used pipelines- to 22mil m³.

At the same time pipeline gas was shut down with capacities going to the hundered (just Nordstream 1 alone had a capacity of 50mil m³.

Also it's exactly the countries not getting pipeline gas before that are now buying LNG because it got cheap as fuck (the biggest importer is Spain with ~8mil m³ alone) as Russia is struggling to sell it at all.

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Let's start at the beginning.

Germany is going for a complete coal phase-out by 2030. For this the new government (in office since Dec 2021) renegotiated the already contracted and approved increase of the area coal is digged for, so the last one happened earlier this year. But you have probably heard the story about the viallage of Lützerath "being demolished because stupid Germany started to increase coal digging again" in the media. That's desinformation because in reality they stopped coal digging there, btw saving half a dozen equally small villages scheduled for destruction more than a decade ago already.

Germany has also shut down it's remaining nuclear reactors that combined -up to their shutdown- produced the miniscule share of ~2% of electricity. In the same time they build up wind- and solarpower. In fact Germany's complete nuclear power (and even at it's peak it was not that much but only looks bigger because electricity demand in the early 1990s was much lower) was replaced with much more capacities in renewable power, so much indeed that they also decreased coal by nearly the same capacity at the same time. Yet, you have probably read dozens of times how "insane Germans think coal is clean energy and shut down all their nuclear to burn more of it".

Wind turbines run about a decade before gear boxes, blades etc. need to be replaced. The whole thing (with replacements) can probably run 25-30 years, but this is rarely done because the improvements in tech make it more worthwhile to completely replace them with more efficient (and nowadays often bigger) models. With that in mind a company build wind turbines next to the digging site knowing that they will need to disassemble them a decade later again (side note: those particular wind mills were also quite problematic and the company went out of business a few years ago), which is shown in the picture. Again, framing this as dismantling wind for more coal power as negotiated by the German Green party is blatant desinformation.

Long story, short. Lobbyists pay good money to push story of insane Greens destroying the country and nature, too. Lobbyists pay good money to push the story of how it's all hopeless to try to get rid of coal as big industry countries like Germany are increasing coal instead. And people love to hate on Germany and eat up that bullshit so for publications it's a double win as this kind of crap also generated clicks like crazy.

For reference: The actual picture...

PS: And you can also see how the propaganda is working as right here in this thread there's lots of "they are lying about renewables and just plan to continue burning coal forever" and at this point in time I'm not even sure anymore if it's just the usual paid trolls or the brain-washing really is that successful.

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Why? Because you all want to hear that lie. That's the whole reason they tell it. Because you pay in clicks for it. Germany bad always sells no matter how braindead the desinformation being poushed is.

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Ich weiß nicht, in welchem NRW du wohnst, aber hier werden eher lächerliche Konstruktionen der Marke "viel zu schmalen Fußgängerweg mitbenutzen, dann wieder auf die Straße wechseln und möglichst viele Fahrbahnen kreuzen müssen" gebaut. Und die wenigen schon länger existierenden "Fahrandstraßen" sind natürlich auch für Autos passierbar und daher beidseitig zugeparkt.

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

Sonst müsste die Bild erst einmal beweisen, dass die Kindergrundsicherung eine schlechte Idee ist.

So wie die BILD erstmal beweisen müsste, dass die Grünen uns das Fleisch essen verbieten wollen? So wie die BILD erstmal beweisen müsste, dass Deutschland hoffnunglos abhängig von französischen Atomstrom ist und ohne Betteln im Ausland hier die Lichter ausgehen würden?
So wie die BILD erstmal beweisen müsste, dass sich Deutschlands Industrie gegen Erneuerbare ausspricht?
So wie BILD erstmal irgendetwas aus ihrem monatelangen Heizungsmärchen hätte beweisen müsste?
So wie WELT hätte beweisen müssen, dass irgendwas von ihren völlig fiktiven Statistiken zur Messerangriffen in Deutschland nicht erlogen ist?

Achnee, Moment. Die müssen gar nichts beweisen. Sie lügen einfach und ihre Leser wollen von Gegendarstellungen eh nichts wissen. (Und die Hälfte der sonstigen Medien plappert es auch einfach nach, aus Angst Klicks zu verlieren. Klar, wenn niemand die wirklichen Tatsachen wissen will.)

Das ist leider die Realität des deutschen Medienversagen. Und solange das so ist, sind die meisten Wähler halt für echte Politik verloren und reagieren nur noch auf Propaganda.

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you develop the habit of just leaving your bodies behind anyway, they lose their value as an indicator...

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