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[–] Ooops@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

their plan they were hatching when being attacked relentlessly by evil islamists for decades on end?

Are you referring to these kind of constant attacks?

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Israel needs to have Hamas exist, so that they can have Hamas as the bad guy - the non-trusted entity that can never be welcomed into negotiation. As a result of that, they will only negotiate with the good guy - The Palestinian Authority - the only so-called legitimate representative of Palestinian people.

There is actually more to this. Israel's government used the argument that Hamas exist -and so the National Authority isn't talking for all Palestinians- as an excuse to not negotiate with your so called "good guy" at all.

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Differenzierung ist ja auch bewusst nicht gewünscht. Es geht im Gegenteil darum, Menschen zu verwirren, in dem man es ganz gezielt vermischt. Deshalb gab's ja z.B. auch so geniale Vorschläge, wie als Maßnahmen gegen illegale Migranten mehr Länder zu sicheren Herkunktsländern zu erklären, damit legal Geduldete abgeschoben werden können (Kretschmer).

Oder es gab großes Gejammer bei der CxU (inklusive Vorwürfe die Bevölkerung zu täuschen) als mehr mobile Fahnder gegen illegale Einreise beschlossen wurden. Die zuständigen Behörden sagen dir zwar ganz klar, dass das die sinnvolle Maßnahme ist und feste Grenzkontrollen stattdessen nichts bringen, aber die Opposition will halt lieber die Symbolpolitik als Lösungen. Oder konkret ausgedrückt: Sie will das Problem, um damit Meinung zu machen. Wenn das Problem eigentlich (in dem Umfang) gar nicht existiert, wird es erfunden.

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Etwas 50000... die Zahl ist seit mehr als einem Jahrzehnt releativ konstant, weil die Leute halt auch tatsächlich ausreisen, nur vielleicht nicht zu exakt dem Zeitpunkt, wo sie sollten.

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

You say that like it actually means something...

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Why should it have been Israel’s job to stop a civil war that’s happening in a non-Israeli controlled territory?

But that's the point: It happened in Israeli-controlled territory. They did nothing for a decade after 1993 while de facto still occupying the areas with no change in sight, then wondered why the National Authority lost support in the population and then still couldn't bring themselved to support that peaceful government cooperating with them over radicals bent on destroying Israel.

That's the level of priority peace actually had for Israel. They created Hamas support in the first place by a decade of governing the status quo when the plan should have been to gradually work for more autonomy for Palestinians and peaceful co-existence, then they indirectly supported Hamas by using them for even more excuses to not move on with the planned peace process and now they pretend they have no other choice but killing Palestinians to root out Hamas. When in reality they had a lot of choices for 30 years. And chose the route of escalation every single time.

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Are the Palestinian people cracking down on Hamas themselves? No, Hamas is operating as their government on the strip.

Yeah... those bad Palestinians not doing anything against Hamas while they took control of Gaza... oh, wait. That's not what actually happenend.

Was Israel cracking down on Hamas 16 years ago when there were open fights between Hamas and Palestinians fighting against them? Or were they sitting on the sideline gloating and watching Palestinians fighting other Palestinians until Hamas controlled Gaza?

Was Isreal cracking down on Hamas in Gaza in the last decade? Or were they just using Hamas as an excuse to kill civilians and to argue that the National Authority obviously doesn't speak for all Palestinians, so there is no need to talk to them or work for peaceful solution?

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That's only a question when you conpletely ignore history and pretend that nothing happened before. Terrorist don't jsut pop up randomly. They are created by circumstances.

You shouldn't ask "what's the solution to a terrorist group embedded in a civil population". Your actual question should be "What did we do to create that problem and how could if have been prevented?". Even if you only ask that to not do the same shit again...

And in Israel's case the answer is very easy. They could have worked on peace and independence of Palestinia 30 years ago, like it was planend when the National Autority was created to gradually do that. Instead they spend more than a decade on being happy with the status quo of an occupation they don't even had to pay for as that was covered by international partners... until Hamas got a majority in 2006. Then they could have supported the peaceful government in their fight against Hamas ~15 years ago. Instead they watched cheering for Palestinians fighting other Palestinians... until Hamas controlled Gaza. And then they could have still spend more than a decade of limiting Hamas' influence. Instead it was Israel's government that used Hamas as an excuse to to show the National Authority wasn't speaking for all Palestinians and so they wouldn't need to work with them for any peace.

30 years of bullshit and then asking "what do we do about Hamas?" when the real question is "why did we create Hamas like it is today and why are we still continuing the exact same course?".

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is that posted right besides "Astronomy for $1000 - This planet orbits our sun."?

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That's nothing new. Everything is used for politics nowadays and if there is some chance to portray a decision as bad (no matter if you need to leave out details) then someone will try to do it.

We have the constant discussion in Germany about "how the spineless Green party campaigned on reducing arms exports and instantly reversed their stance once in government". That the arms deals they wanted to reduce went to countries like Qatar oder Egypt while the increase now is going to NATO allies and Ukraine is of course never mentioned as gray areas and details have no place in the populistic bullshit political discussion has become.

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