OgdenTO

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[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (14 children)

There aren't service workers who drive to downtown Manhattan or Uber drivers? I would be supportive of a progressive charge, but simply implementing a new cost for people forced to drive isn't supporting the working class.

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (36 children)

Aren't congestion charges a regressive punishment for those who are stuck driving in cars? Increasing the cost of driving is an attempt at a market solution to traffic. Market solutions suck balls, are ineffective, punish the poor, and don't mean anything to the rich.

I don't think anyone on Hexbears should be supporting making driving (something that working class folks are forced to do and rich folks treat as a luxury) more expensive. We need to focus on making alternative transportation modes more effective and free instead

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah I'll try to as well. It just sounds really close to a British ethnic slur

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I also think they were referring to the emotes themselves, having meaning that probably only we know about so seems impenetrable to non Hexbears

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

This is the only materialist take

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

mozz sounds like an extremely fucking racist username

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

The US is into its 8th decade of nonstop anti-USSR propaganda, which has been difficult since 1991, but they've managed to equate USSR and Russia so it's worked out for them.

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I understand your point, but I would love to see the scientific studies that you've read that show what thoughts and consciousness are, in relation to brain activity. My point is that we can make assumptions all day about the size of organoids and what (and if) they feel, but it's fundamentally an unknown since there are no studies out there that show that one thinks either way.

I mean, science is overall callous to animals, it's horrific that mice and other animals have been used in studies. I think it's the same kind of hubris that allows scientists to play around and make human brain matter "think", that is, transmit and process electrical signals, without actually understanding how that works naturally in any type of animal brain or organism.

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Blueberry lavender beer sounds delicious regardless of gender

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But it remains that nobody has any measurable definition of what causes consciousness, whether the size of the organoids matters, how many electrical impulses and responses from brain material characterize a "thought" or an "idea" or a "memory", or even how to detect these kinds of brain activities.

Of course these organoids don't have a way of communicating. They don't have sensory inputs, nor muscular or other outputs. Does that mean they don't have thoughts? We have no clue. Nobody has any clue. You don't know, I don't know, and no scientist has any idea.

Do bees have thoughts? Do worms have ideas? Do you need 1000 neurons, or 10,000, or 1,000,000 to do this? There are no studies about this kind of thing. I just think it's irresponsible to mess around with human brain cells when these fundamental questions remain unanswered.

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is a good summary. To simplify/describe it slightly differently, the definitions of capitalism and communism and socialism decribe the relationships between workers and the value of the work that they do.

Under capitalism, owners own the business and employ workers who are paid wages. The value of the products or services that the workers make is more than they are paid - and this extra value produced (profit) goes back to the owner. Thus, you end up with two classes of people, the workers/wage laborers (proletariat in communist jargon), and the owners (bourgeoisie in communist jargon).

In socialism, the workers own the businesses, and so the profit goes back to them instead of to the non-working owners. Thus in socialism, there is only the one class, the workers, and the bourgeoisie class has been removed.

This is extremely simplified, but I think describes the overall work and value relationships under the two systems.

I hope this helps too.

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Ant neurons and human neurons are also different. Like do we know there's not a little human guy thinking around in there? Nobody actually knows what number of cells is the threshold for consciousness, or how to measure it, or even what consciousness actually is.

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