"Degeneration Gap"
OgdenTO
joined 5 years ago
Nano plastics are an inhalation hazard, so yeah
c/battlethposting
I mean, having New York City "nationalism" over people living in NJ isn't the right attitude. But of course, the commuters from New Jersey don't deserve special (fake) treatment over locals either.
Shouldn't it be the good of the workers regardless where they're from? (Not an endorsement of this decision or rationale)
I mean, there's billions and trillions of dollars floating around in NY going to other things. It would seem that there should be other ways to fund transit expansion
Fair, thanks for at least listening. I may have been off topic with the non-NYC angle. It just seems like nobody was even entertaining the concept that car taxes are bad for workers.
I find it shocking that you're defending the idea that making driving more expensive is good in general from a worker perspective.
For the environment? Sure! Reducing congestion? Ok! But in almost every situation, looking at the car-centric world were in - those gains are paid for predominantly by the working class.
Yes, I'm not responding to stats about who owns cars in NYC. Maybe there is an argument and this will be carried out properly. Maybe it's even a good idea. It just looks to me that the labor groups and socialist groups are opposing this and we should listen to them.
The people who live on NYC are the ones who will get the gains of better air and reduced traffic, but it is the commuters who will pay. And I don't know if you've seen the numbers of how many working class folks drive into Manhattan daily. The last number I saw was 300,000.
Percentages don't tell the full story. These people are the ones who will be paying the tax. For example https://socialistrevolution.org/mobilize-labor-to-fight-nycs-congestion-tolls/
Anyway I've put multiple, good, socialist and labor opinions on why these kinds of taxes are bad in general.
I appreciate the good information about this particular case that really makes it look not that bad, but I also am listening to socialist and labor groups who oppose this tax in NYC as a burden on workers. I don't want to use the L word, but it seems like everyone here supports these taxes as free-market solutions and ignores the on the ground story. Liberalism. On my Hexbear.
Here I found something that has some actual numbers in it too:
https://socialistrevolution.org/mobilize-labor-to-fight-nycs-congestion-tolls/
About NYC
Here's another good one, but about London. Similar gist.
https://socialistworker.co.uk/news/can-congestion-charges-work/
Also, there was one I posted in a different comment specifically about NYC.
Here's a good counterpoint to the regressive idea of congestion taxes. I've been trying to convey this message throughout this thread, as I seem to be the only person here who sees this congestion tax as hurting the working class. Anyway, I can't seem to get my ideas across, but this is a good summary:
https://socialistrevolution.org/mobilize-labor-to-fight-nycs-congestion-tolls/
Actually, this is a good overall view on where I'm coming from. This is about Toronto, but it's overall the gist I'm (poorly) attempting to communicate:
I upbear every post on purpose, but I do it ironically for most of them