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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

That's the "crabs-in-a-bucket" approach. We will never get anywhere if we're willing to sell each other out and tear each other down to get ahead or protect ourselves. I'm never going to sacrifice solidarity with the oppressed in the hopes that our oppressors will be merciful. If I were that much of a coward, I wouldn't have transitioned in the first place.

You say I will always lose with this path, but you don't know that. What I do know is that I will always lose following your path. As far as I'm concerned, that's the only thing that's guaranteed to fail. Solidarity is the only viable strategy and the only one that makes any logical sense at all. As well as being the only moral position. You wanted to play that card of "look them in the face," well I could never look a Palestinian in the face and explain why I'm selling them out just to save my own skin. They will level all their slings and arrows against us, but it is still better to stand against them together than to fracture and join them and fight against each other for a momentary respite until they inevitably turn on us.

Claiming that every victory every marginalized group has ever won was just handed down from above by appeasing the rich and powerful is absurd, ahistorical, and offensive.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

She was working in government with the intention of making things better

She was literally working for an armed rebellion actively fighting a war with the aim of overthrowing the government.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -3 points 9 months ago

Clearly, the solution is to vote in the Imperial Senate if you want to affect change.

Unless you're trying to say Kamala Harris is secretly working for Hamas or something?

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -4 points 9 months ago

In this analogy, did Princess Leia build the Death Star and blow up Alderaan? Ridiculous levels of whitewashing.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -2 points 9 months ago

What answer is that? All I'm doing here is interrogating your worldviews, and it seems I've found a pretty significant bit of cognitive dissonance, haven't I?

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Not an answer to my question.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Oh, I can say it to my own face, I'm trans. But I've also told all my trans friends that I'm not voting for Kamala, and have no difficulty doing so. There isn't a single person in the world I wouldn't look dead in the eye and say it to.

Your analogy fails to the account for the fact that you're strengthening the very people who put you in that situation in the first place, so it is not a valid analogy (among many other reasons). You "accounted" for the cause in saying that the city council "failed to fix" the problem. In reality, they intentionally caused the problem, and doing your "triage" empowers them to cause it to happen more and more, neither of which you accounted for at all.

Today, Palestinians are the ones being "triaged." Tomorrow, it could very well be us. By your calculus, if the democrats decide to throw us under the bus because they see us as too much of an electoral liability, you will still happily accept them as the "lesser evil" and all the arguments you're using now to support killing Gazans, you will deploy then to support killing us. "The Democrats just want to sacrifice trans people, the Republicans want to go after trans people and gay people and..." Don't try to pretend you wouldn't, unless you're prepared to explain why your "triage" analogy wouldn't apply there too.

An injury to one is an injury to all. If we don't stand up for Palestinians, if we allow minorities to be picked off one by one, then we are doomed because there will be no one left to stand up for us.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -2 points 9 months ago

Are you asking which of the two major parties in the US is the “second” party, making the US more democratic than if there were a single party?

Yes, that is what I'm asking. To say that having more than one party makes our system more democratic means that there must be at least two parties whose existence both make the system more democratic. So, does the Republican party, whose candidate tried to overturn an election, make the system more democratic? Does the Green party, which the person I responded to said should face legal retribution for their role as a "spoiler," make the system more democratic? Maybe the Libertarian party? Which one?

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

First off you didn't answer the question, second off you put words in my mouth saying that I'm "fixating" on that as "the only possible change."

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