Objection

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If you don’t ever want to divert the trolley then there’s no point.

That is incredibly untrue. There's plenty of point to the problem highlighting differences between moral frameworks that tell you to pull the lever and those that don't. Again, you were taught about this incorrectly. Doubling down on "deontology doesn't exist" just makes you look even more ignorant.

Which is why I mentioned it… You’re a strange one. It was interesting because he had knowledge of some pretty controversial ethical decisions that actually made for good lessons. Basically the trolley problem in real life, and where the actions were pretty fucked up.

Are you trying to self-own? The CIA has done all sorts of obviously unethical stuff (often justifying it with the framework you just presented) and working for the CIA is inherently unethical. It's like saying you studied ethics under Sauron. It's no surprise that he would teach you all sorts of wrong ideas and bad ways of thinking about things.

I brought them up… What?

You brought up deontology, did you?

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (51 children)

Both options are fundamentally unacceptable to me. There is no conceivable situation where I would vote for either.

If you're somehow compelling me to act against my will, then, I don't know, I might pick one randomly, or I might pick the one you don't like out of spite, or I might pick the one you do like out of the hope you'll be merciful to me in the future, since in this universe you can apparently control my body against my will.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (54 children)

Of course I understand what a hypothetical is, and I answered what I would do in the situation you presented me with. You don't accept that answer for some arbitrary reason, but you won't explain why it wouldn't be an option.

My position is perfectly defensible. This is like asking a vegan "Would you rather eat pork or beef?" and when they reject both options, you claim that it means their position is indefensible.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -2 points 9 months ago (56 children)

I just did. My answer is neither.

You'll have to elaborate on why that isn't an option in your hypothetical if you don't accept that.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (24 children)

That quote is such a funny thing. My mom once quoted it to me as a reason to support the Iraq War. I didn't even know how to respond to that because it was so completely backwards. The way I saw it, the invasion of Iraq was evil triumphing because good people did nothing to stop it.

That's how I feel about you saying it to me now. Evil is triumphing in Gaza precisely because people aren't willing to take a stand on it.

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