Here's the thing, I don't really have a position. I was asking questions because I don't understand. To me it seems like there are physical advantages of going through puberty as a male and those advantages persist for a period of time. My brief googling from several different sources backed that up but I'm certainly not an expert. There also never seems to be any situations of FTM people excelling at sports like is reported of MTF. Happy to accept that might be a media bias issue. I also don't have any real ideological positions. Trans people are people and deserve to be treated as such I have no issue with that. I can only imagine the amount of pain and suffering they have to go through. There just seems to be a lot of "trust me bro" type responses and down votes to any questions which in my opinion doesn't help the situation.
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Except I don't think it's that clear https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/61346517 https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/11/577 It might just be that a time window needs to be established in which case it's all good.
Except i didn't say that hormones were irrelevant to performance. Unfortunately its never such a binary situation.
I was talking about the physical effects of hormones while going through puberty.
If this persists then there will be advantages.
If it degrades over time then how long does it take?
Lots of professional sport is undertaken by late teen or early twenties athletes, will they still have 'advantages'?
It really doesn't matter in the vast majority of cases and possibly even all cases.
It is something that needs to be understood though given that it's competitions that often feed into the professional scene and the data needs to support it
I honestly struggle to understand how trans women are disadvantaged if they've been through puberty as boys. Every real world example I've seen of women competing against early pubescent boys goes very one way such as https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/alisha-lehmann-switzerland-euro-2025-hosts-thrashed-under-15-team/blt569915d6561b9a2a#csbd8503c0a0d0c04d
Does the changes to bone structure and density and muscle composition fade away? Look it may all come under the negligible banner and that's totally fine but the thing is that hand waving concerns and attacking anyone that has questions as transphobic doesn't help when there legitimate concerns at high level sports.
The fact that you consider bone density as "meaningless shit" doesn't do your argument any benefits as its widely considered beneficial for sports performance.
Not a bot sorry. Didn't realise that a single random source with no cross references constituted reliable information
So do tell me what reliable sources of information you use?
Lol the guardian as a propaganda rag? The only people that complain about that are the fascists/right wing. So what would you consider a reliable reporting of the situation? I'm guessing only things that agree with your existing opinions.
Lol what cool aid have you been drinking https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/28/north-korea-execution-man-k-pop-human-rights-report
Man I haven't made that for ages. Where i grew up all the shopping malls would have a guy with a little electric grill making these and they were amazing. Going to make it today for cooking tomorrow! I tend to use chicken but maybe I'll try pork thise time
Does your robot vacum still have all its functionality if it can't talk home? Mine certainly doesn't. I'm pretty sure that big infrastructure components probably all require some form of network communication
Replication with postgres is really simple. Combine it with patroni and it's so much better than oracle
Thank you for taking the time to reply in detail. That study makes for an interesting read although as you mention, it does highlight that there are statisticaly significant differences both positive and negative. I'll admit that I don't like the way the conclusion is written in that it only covers negative or neutral aspects and ignores or 'normalises' the positive aspects behind body mass. Normalised performance is relevant for weight class sports but if trans men are generally bigger and therefore stronger overall then it becomes a bit moot. The Absolute Average Power and peak power values in the reports correction are pretty significant. This may very well be offset by the other negative impacts listed such as CV fitness etc
As you said, it's a relatively narrow lens that makes it difficult to expand to a wider view.
You do make a very good point about performance vs participation and it does suggest a conclusion that any differences ballance each other out.
I'd like to see a study that could confirm that as it would be great evidence to show relative performance equality.
The low number of trans athletes (yes I'm aware of the irony/difficulty) would make such a study difficult. Maybe the default position should be to let all trans people compete to allow for such studies.
On a personal note I hope you get to play the sports you love and that the world becomes more accepting. I wouldn't hesitate to play (im too old and unfit to compete at anything!) with you or have my child compete against/with a trans person.