NaibofTabr

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[–] NaibofTabr 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

[–] NaibofTabr 15 points 1 month ago

idk, brownhoods doesn't have quite the same ring as browncoats

also

[–] NaibofTabr 20 points 1 month ago

It's a story, you know, fiction, printed on cheap paper made from cheap wood pulp... maybe we could call it pulp fiction?

[–] NaibofTabr 1 points 1 month ago

just doing the FAFO approach.

Please consider the following:

How did early humans find out which food sources were safe to eat, and which were not?

[–] NaibofTabr 2 points 1 month ago

the thing is that cleaner production methods benefit big industry because they get to produce higher-quality products which makes them more profit due to higher price.

Sure, maybe in the long run. But that will cost money now and the quarterly earnings report is due.

[–] NaibofTabr 3 points 1 month ago

So all those problems are fixed but somehow new ones keep popping up?

Yes. Welcome to reality.

Maybe it wasnt real change but actually just band aids and the root cause stayed unadressed through all those years.

The entire history of human civilization is an example of building the airplane while you're flying it, without a plan for either the airplane construction or the flight path.

Somehow the system you want to maintain and support keeps creating these problems.

There are a lot of problems, and yes the solutions to old problems often create new problems, because reality is not a video game where collecting a dozen McGuffins ends the quest and you get a reward and then never worry about that issue again.

Sometimes the airplane crashes: https://fallofcivilizationspodcast.com/

The options are:

  1. Pick up the pieces and try again.
  2. Give up and die where you are.
[–] NaibofTabr 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You could have spent a century testing CFCs in a lab environment. The problem they caused with the ozone layer would still not have become apparent until CFCs were used in the real world where they could interact with the ozone layer.

There is no amount of testing and preparation that can account for every possible outcome or interaction.

Asbestos is another good example. It is naturally occurring and quite common and was used as a building material for millennia. It is lightweight but strong, flexible in thin sheets, and fireproof. It's an extremely useful and versatile material, and abundantly available.

It wasn't until the 1900s that medical testing linked asbestos fibers to several health risks. It basically required the entire history of human development for our medical technology to identify the danger. No amount of testing, analysis or review done prior would have mattered.

[–] NaibofTabr 1 points 1 month ago

ohh... could it have been, y'know, start-less?

[–] NaibofTabr 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The "true king" Richard the Lionheart bankrupted the country for his Crusades in the Middle East. Prince John tried to keep the country financially stable while his older brother was away playing soldier.

[–] NaibofTabr 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Humans spent thousands of years without rulers.

orly? which thousands?

[–] NaibofTabr 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (15 children)

The hole in the ozone layer is now repairing due to international regulation of CFCs

Acid rain is no longer a problem because of regulation of sulfur dioxide emissions

Leaded gasoline has now been banned in every country

Asbestos exposure is rare now due to regulatory controls. It's bad that it took so long to get done.

Government regulation is effective in protecting people from health risks.

Collective action (e.g. through voting) is effective in establishing such regulation.

If you spread the lie that voting in favor of such policies (and politicians who support them) is a useless waste of time, you are spreading industry propaganda.

Effective, large-scale change is IN FACT at the polls.

It is nowhere else.

[–] NaibofTabr 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yes, actually.

Do you remember the hole in the ozone layer? It's self-repairing now because the chemicals that were damaging it were internationally banned - by government regulation.

Do you remember the acid rain scare? It's not a problem now because of regulatory control of sulfur dioxide emissions.

Do you know why gasoline is unleaded?

Do you know why asbestos is banned in building materials?

Government regulation actively improves human health and wellbeing, and has prevented several outright disasters from progressing.

Real change does, in fact, come from voting for politicians that support effective environmental policies. It is industry propaganda that wants you to believe that regulation is ineffective.

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