Manmoth

Illegal immigrants should be first informed, second prevented from entering and third detained if they still decide to enter. They are law breakers by merely being in the United States without entering via port-of-entry or overstaying a visa. It shouldnt be dehumanizing but it must be manned and they shouldnt be allowed to leave. We have 23 million complete randos in this country. It's neither okay nor sustainable and they should be sent back. Frankly if it is not profitable to be an illegal immigrant then they will stop coming (at least in such numbers). Ultimately the solution is prevention but no one wants to do anything about that be it physical barrier, more border guards or prosecution of American businesses. There is no kumbaya solution to this problem.

Men and Women are different.

"Stage-of-development" is a flawed argument because it presupposes that some qualifications must be met before an embryo or fetus reaches a status of personhoood when in reality the "clump of cells " has all the genetic instructions it requires to proceed through all stages of development at conception. Entertaining the idea that it somehow matters less because it is smaller, less developed, dependent on the mother etc is the pilpul I was talking about. If it wasn't a human then an abortion wouldn't be necessary because a dog, bird or fish embryo would die immediately.

It is not like contraception (e.g. a condom). A gamete on it's own will never develop into a human under any circumstances.

There can also be devastating psychological fallout from not getting an abortion, which would be why many people believe it should be a choice that the people involved get to make about themselves, rather than forcing it on them.

We are talking about people (man and woman) who decide to have sex and don't want to deal with the logical, predictable outcome. No one is forcing them to do anything. They have created this situation for themselves. It's that simple. The rest is just mental gymnastics for them not taking responsibility for their actions.

The only intellectually and morally honest argument for abortion is "I don't care".

Abortion should be legal in all cases

Respectfully I disagree. If one grants that abortion should be legal for rape/incest/LOTM (~1%) then it comes down to the other 99% which is what both sides actually care about. At this point the conversation shifts to personal liberty, bodily autonomy, stage-of-development or, in the case of Roe v. Wade, privacy. While there is some clever pilpul regarding ethics and/or the "dilemma" an unexpected pregnancy creates, in the overwhelming majority of cases the abortion decision comes down to convenience. Convenience meaning the prevention of struggle. Having to alter ones life or career to acommodate the needs of a(nother) child. It's no secret that sex causes pregnancy however many people feel they shouldnt have to deal with the consequences (women AND men). Human life is the most precious thing on earth which means it needs to be treated with the utmost care from conception to repose.

Abortion creates a culture of death. Assisted suicides would almost certainly not be a thing if abortion wasn't normalized first. It's no surprise that abortion traces its modern roots to the eugenics movement.

Furthermore something that is rarely discussed is the psychological fallout from abortion. It can be devastating for both women and men.

Teslas are impractical, cheaply made and expensive. That's why they aren't selling. Electric vehicles aren't selling in general because they don't make sense for the money. It's a forced meme by special interests.