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The Saudi government has long denied that it provided any support for the attacks. But, over the past few years, evidence has emerged that Saudi officials may have had more significant dealings with some of the plotters than U.S. investigations had previously shown.

Since 2017, the 9/11 families and some insurance companies have been suing the Saudi government in a Manhattan federal court, claiming that Saudi officials helped some of those involved in the Qaida plot.

The Saudi royal family was a declared enemy of al-Qaida. In the early 1990s, it expelled Osama bin Laden, the son of a construction magnate, and stripped him of his citizenship. At the same time, the kingdom funded an ambitious effort to propagate its radical Wahhabi brand of Islam around the world and tolerated a religious bureaucracy that was layered with clerics sympathetic to al-Qaida and other militant Islamists.

From the start of the FBI’s investigation into a possible support network for the 9/11 plot, one of its primary suspects was a supposed Saudi graduate student who helped settle the first two hijackers to arrive in the United States after they flew into Los Angeles in January 2000.

The middle-aged student, Omar al-Bayoumi, told U.S. investigators that he met the operatives by chance at a halal cafe near the Saudi Consulate in Culver City, California. The two men, Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, were trained as terrorists but spoke virtually no English and were poorly prepared to operate on their own in Southern California.

Bayoumi insisted he was just being hospitable when he found Hazmi and Mihdhar an apartment in San Diego, set them up with a bank account and introduced them to a coterie of Muslim men who helped them for months with other tasks — from buying a car and taking English classes to their repeated but unsuccessful attempts to learn to fly.

As ProPublica and The New York Times Magazine detailed in an in-depth report on the FBI’s secret investigation of the Saudi connection in 2020, agents on the case suspected that Bayoumi might be a spy. He seemed to spend most of his time hanging around San Diego mosques, donating money to various causes and obtrusively filming worshippers with a video camera.

Yet both the FBI and the bipartisan 9/11 Commission accepted Bayoumi’s account almost at face value. In a carefully worded joint report in 2005, the CIA and FBI asserted that they had found no information to indicate that Bayoumi was a knowing accomplice of the hijackers or that he was a Saudi government “intelligence officer.”

But FBI documents that were just made public last year sharply revised that assessment.

While living in San Diego, one FBI document concludes, Bayoumi was paid a regular stipend as a “cooptee,” or part-time agent, of the General Intelligence Presidency, the Saudi intelligence service. The report adds that his information was forwarded to the powerful Saudi ambassador in Washington, D.C., Prince Bandar bin Sultan, a close friend to both presidents Bush and their family. The Saudi Embassy in Washington did not immediately respond to questions about Bandar’s alleged relationship with Bayoumi.

As Bayoumi was helping the hijackers, FBI documents show, he was also in close contact with members of a Saudi religious network that operated across the United States. He also dealt extensively with Anwar al-Awlaki, a Yemeni American cleric who the documents suggest was more closely involved with the hijackers than was previously known. Awlaki later became a leader of al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula and was killed in a 2011 drone strike ordered by President Barack Obama.

One of the Saudi officials with whom Bayoumi appeared to work, Musaed al-Jarrah, was both a key figure in the Saudi religious apparatus in Washington and a senior intelligence officer. After being expelled from the United States, Jarrah returned to Riyadh and worked for years as an aide to Prince Bandar on the Saudi national security council.

Another Saudi cleric with whom Bayoumi worked, Fahad al-Thumairy, was posted to Los Angeles as both a diplomat at the Saudi Consulate and a senior imam at the nearby King Fahad Mosque — a pillar of the global effort to spread Wahhabi Islam that had opened in mid-1998.

According to another newly declassified FBI document from 2017, an unnamed source told investigators that Thumairy received a phone call shortly before the two hijackers arrived in Los Angeles from “an individual in Malaysia” who wanted to alert him to the imminent arrival of “two brothers … who needed their assistance.”

In mid-December 1999, according to the 9/11 Commission report, a key Saudi operative in the plot, Walid bin Attash, flew to Malaysia to meet with Hazmi and Mihdhar. Although the men were kept under surveillance by Malaysian security agents, they were allowed to fly on to Bangkok and then Los Angeles, using Saudi passports with their real names. The FBI source said that Thumairy arranged for Mihdhar and Hazmi to be picked up at the Los Angeles International Airport and brought to the King Fahad Mosque, where they met with him. Thumairy and Jarrah have both denied helping the hijackers.

The FBI revelations were especially stinging for the 9/11 families because previous administrations made extraordinary efforts to keep them under wraps. President Donald Trump, who promised to help the families gain access to FBI and CIA documents, instead fought to shield them as state secrets. (Trump has been a vocal supporter of LIV Golf, hosting several of its tournaments at his golf courses and saying after the merger, “The Saudis have been fantastic for golf.”)

 

Actor Jonah Hill’s ex-girlfriend is accusing him of being an “emotionally abusive” fake feminist, but many bystanders are defending the Moneyball star, saying he “dodged a bullet.”

Hill’s ex-girlfriend Sarah Brady, a surfer instructor and law student, attacked the actor in a series of Instagram Stories over the weekend, and shared purported screenshots of text messages with him, according to multiple reports.

“This is a warning to all girls. If your partner is talking to you like this, make an exit plan,” Brady wrote alongside a screenshot of an alleged text from Hill, asking her to remove Instagram photos of her “ass in a thong.”

The Wolf of Wall Street star also allegedly sent Brady a list of “boundaries,” which included, “Surfing with men, Boundaryless inappropriate friendships with men, to modeling, to post pictures of yourself in a bathing suit, to post sexual pictures, ” and “friendships with women who are in unstable places.”

Hill allegedly added that if Brady engages in the aforementioned behavior, “I am not the right partner for you.”

 

I was curious earlier with the suggestion from @squashskin@exploding-heads.com's suggestion to go and speak to Defederatis in other places...

And I was taken aback at how inactive they appeared to be..? Fair amounts of extraneous stuff but it's literally almost all we post about.

Thus it isn't super surprising that some of these people felt personally slighted and absolutely cut at the fact that we make politically charged jokes.

 
[–] Lovstuhagen@exploding-heads.com 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Fully agreed.

I also dislike it when they try to attack the 'love the sinner, hate the sin' mentality - absolutely ungrateful that we are trying to reach out to them as people and dead set on labeling us as hateful.

[–] Lovstuhagen@exploding-heads.com 1 points 2 years ago (12 children)

... So a theocracy can be good as long as the majority of people say "aye?"

.. and such a theocracy would then not be authoritarian..?

[–] Lovstuhagen@exploding-heads.com 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I would also bring this up: as a foreigner, I've been bombarded about questions of where I am from, and I've noticed people treat me differently or even are awkward around me because of my foreigness, but this is more often than not because they are from a rural area and grew up in a completely homogeneous community...

We are getting close to the point of treating people who are shy or rural as if they are racists... and what does the word racist mean now in the West?

Well, if you are branded as one, you can be fired.

We are only a few degrees away from people being fired because they are not doing what others think of as proper eye contact.

That's my concern - more than just the idea of informing people that they be giving off bad vibes with eye concact.

That's really wild - kind of interested in learnign how to play those classic games!

But I wonder if buying packs made by the typical companies funds the occult.

[–] Lovstuhagen@exploding-heads.com 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I always tell people that chess is a good alternative to video games since it is about keeping the mind sharp and engaging in very thoguhtful, creative play. Yes, I am aware some video games can do that, but people sink thousands of hours into these things without real world application and... without any real skill development that doesn't sharpen the brain.

Yeah, sure, beating Dark Souls 2 is an accomplishment but it lacks the sociality and intellectual rigor of more classic games of the mind like chess.

For example what do you think about tarot card alternatives? People play with the cards and try to tell people’s futures. Could they play a card game instead? I guess the tarot cards were originally used just for card games? Could they play some kind of card game that isn’t fortune telling? For some people, it might be best to stop certain activities entirely, so they’re not tempted to do the wrong thing.

It's kind of an interesting concept - if tarot cards were originally just used for card games, it would be acceptable to literally take them and do taht with them, and in a sense, if it is irritating to people who use the occult to do that... It is worth a lul.

[–] Lovstuhagen@exploding-heads.com 5 points 2 years ago (14 children)

I'm not that into making fun of an old guy about his appearance.

But yeah keep up the posts it's good to see you here.

Too bad you're from an Authoritarian instance. Create a new account and stick around.

[–] Lovstuhagen@exploding-heads.com 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

What people dislike is the sort of totalitarian ideology where people have the right to monitor your eye contact and declare it racist if it doesn't meet their expectations.

I can see that the rationale of what you're saying can check out to some degree but the last thing we need is idiots feeling armed with the idea that they can judge you based on where you're looking.

I 100% agree. Sex work is sad, at best.

But I had to think of a fun title for this that did not 100% give away the punchline.

[–] Lovstuhagen@exploding-heads.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

it could even be treated like a sort of human rights issue - you just have the right to share content from websites via links, and whatever stupid laws about how you owe us money now..! are invalid.

[–] Lovstuhagen@exploding-heads.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's also so weird because there are these laws in place that allow us to cite portions of things without having to pay for anything. I think it's even up to something like 25% of a publication that can be republished just for the purpose of citing it or criticizing it...

Wild that at this point you just won't be able to share links.

Right, it's beyond me

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