Oh yeah, for sure. At least some of the voters that didnt vote were lefties. My b if I took what you said the wrong way. But the thing that has been driving me insane the last 6 months is all the liberals who've been blaming the left up and down and blaming the voters while having 0 flame for the Washington establishment that is quite literally the reason why so many people have checked out of politics. Like, yeah, be mad at the people who didn't vote, for sure. If that's irritating you, that's valid. As a leftist who did hold my nose and vote for Harris, I'm a little mad at the people who didn't vote because it hurts minorities like myself and others. But to hyper fixate on the people that didn't vote and brow beat them for not voting isn't going to solve ANYTHING. They've shown us what it takes to get them back to the polls. Now we either gotta speak their language or die. Love it, hate it, doesn't make a difference in the end. And being an ass about it isn't going to make them go 'Oh, wow, you're totally right, lemme go vote next time'. If anything it's going to split the left more (as is evidenced by this entire thread) and cause an irreversible spiral into fascism no matter if we have free and fair elections again or not.
Losingfaithinmyself
"Next, think back to your decision not to vote in 2024. You will see issues that some say may have impacted their decision whether or not to vote. For each of those, please say how you feel about that issue." And in every category, the data YOU provided shows that most people who didn't vote WEREN'T GOING TO VOTE ANYWAY.
"This issue was important to me, and candidates positions on this issue swayed me not to vote." Gaza - 20% with 80% not being swayed or not caring about the issue that much.
Abortion Access - 22% with 78% not swayed/caring
Jobs - 14% with 86% not swayed/caring
Inflation - 25% with 75% not swayed/caring
Democracy and voting access - 15% with 85% not swayed/caring
Immigration - 21% with 79% not swayed/caring.
Climate change - 22% with 78% not swayed/caring
the issue which swayed most people NOT to vote wasn't a lefty issue like gaza, climate change, or abortion access, it was IMMIGRATION, which is an issue literally everyone on the political spectrum cares about in some way shape or form. Furthermore, YOUR study that YOU linked is pretty clear that most people didn't stop voting because they didn't like the issues, it was because they don't trust EITHER party to run the government.
"Neither party is trustworthy on this issue"
Economy - 38% compared to 31% for Dems and 18% for Repubs
Housing - 45% compared to 37% D and 8%R
Russia/Ukraine - 36% compared to 31D and 18R
Gaza - 49% compared to 18D and 16 R
Immigration 38% compared to 24D and 28R
Income inequality - 43% compared to 40D and 6R
Foreign threats - 38% compared to 25D and 21 R
In fact, the only times ANYONE is seen as more trustworthy than not on ANY issue is Climate Change and Healthcare.
Lmao. You might live in the USA but your posting history tells me exactly what I need to know about how much you actually talk to IRL people. Dude you moderate like 20 communities and spend your days posting on HERE. You don't actually speak to irl people. And yes, as someone living in a ruby red state, volunteering with mutual aid groups and political action groups in a ruby red state, yes I HAVE actually spoken to conservatives lately, along with liberals, leftists, and people who have showered since this election. Get off the computer every minute of every day, actually go out and touch grass and DO something material in your life, because you look like a rage-bait bot with control issues who hasn't spoken to another living human person before. Assuming, ofcourse, that you're not just a shill account meant to spread propaganda.
Do me a favor pal: show me proof that it was leftists who didn't vote this time. In fact, show me proof that the people who didn't vote were against harm reduction. Show me any proof any evidence from ANYWHERE that the people who refused to vote... were refusing to vote? Show me any evidence that says that says anything with any certainty about ANYONE who did not vote?
Oh, you can't? Well that makes sense, because we don't actually KNOW who left the electorial arean. We don't know WHY they left the electorial arena, and we don't know WHAT they were thinking. So, I'd love to know why everyone seems so certain that it was the left who stopped voting entirely as opposed to the non-MAGA right or even the liberal center. And the reseaon everyone is CERTAIN it's the left if because that's been the reused talking point that's been dragged out every time there's been a lull in the insanity since Jan 20th. Almost like somebody doesn't want the subject to die. Almost like someone profits off of the left and the center fighting each other instead of fighting the 1%.
People who stopped voting entirely may be facism enablers, I'm not disagreeing. But, there's no actual, solid evidence to blame that shit on any one group in particular. And even despite that, it's absolutely INSANE that we're hyper focused on the imagined people we THINK didn't vote for the reasons we think they didn't vote, and yet IGNORE the people we KNOW voted for this and IGNORE the reasons they're telling us they voted for this.
Like tf? Thinking billionaires have been and are continuing to demonize any actual progressive candidate and are propagandizing broad swaths of the electoral is an inane conspircay theory when it's something we have seen evidence of time and time and time again, and in the same breath saying that people who voted for trump are lying about why they voted for trump based on 'just trust me bro' is absolutely ludicrous.
My brother in christ, could you strawman any harder?
NOBODY thinks bernie 'actually won'. Pretty much everyone who saw the 2016 election knows that Hillary won the primary, due to smear campaigns against bernie backed by establishment democrats. You know, the EXACT same thing that's going on with Zohran Mamdani RIGHT FUCKING NOW. He WON the primary, and not by some secret cabal type shit but by the will of the voters by running gasp populist policies that actually help out the working class. And the establishment DNC is doing everything they can to smear him even AFTER getting the will of the voters, in favor of Andrew Cuomo or Eric Adams.
"If liberals are so fucking smart then why do they lose so god damn always?"
Instead of blaming the leftists who may or may not have voted (which for what it's worth, I have never met a leftist irl who abstained voting even in a ruby red state) why don't you fucking blame the people who are actively driving the bus off the cliff?
Or how about you LEARN from the last decade?
Because this right here is why establishment dems AND republicans ain't doing too hot. You look at Trump's victories and never ask 'why did all these people vote for this fucking asshole?'. Instead, you write everyone who voted Trump as a racist or a sexist or a NAZI and while they're perfectly willing to associate with NAZIs, it's important to fucking learn why the fuck they voted for that asshole. And yeah, some of them definitely voted for racism or sexism reasons, but you're absolutely braindead if you think the fact that he ran on eliminating corruption ('drain the swamp') and ran on making things better for the working class ('price of eggs'). Was he lying? Yup. Is he a corrupt fascist? 100%, but unlike literally everyone else in the 3 presidential campaigns he ran in (excluding bernie ofc) absolutely NOBODY was speaking to the working class or populist policies. It was 'I'm with her' or 'Trump bad' or 'It's my turn'.
So, feel free sitting on your high horse saying 'oh, well if the voters weren't so dumb we would be at brunch' instead of focusing on the people whose entire job it was to inspire people to vote for them, and keep dividing the working class more and more. You're only playing into their hands, and yes I am talking about the billionaires that you're sucking off rn.
In a system that values profits over peoples' lives, stealing is a morally good act.
No Clue, I was just trying to speak to why the og commenter may be calling this based.
I think the intent was 'based girl standing up for herself to the point of killing a dude', but I could be wrong.
The 'Maga communism' is still alive and well, sadly. The ACP took over the r/socialist sub on reddit.
You have no clue why I’m mad at the people who invited in the fascists.
Really.
Again: I voted for Kamala. I just recognize that the people who didn't are not the enemy. Stop attacking other normal people instead of the ones who are actively trying to divide us over stupid shit (like this).
Yep, and a large number of people decided to just hand over all levers of power over to those people! At least it wasn’t the DEMS who got the levers of power! That would have been the REAL atrocity.
We don't owe anybody our votes. Not you, not Kamala, not Trump. The reason Trump keeps winning is because he makes people think he's for them. The democrats are actively ignoring the voices of their base and saying that they're going to do nothing for us, but hey, at least they're not trump! If you want any actual recognition on why people are not voting maybe it's because our votes are not mattering when we cast them. We vote lesser evil and we still get evil. That is not something to vote for. That's when you just pack your bags and leave the fucking country if you're able to do so. And if you're not able to do so (like me) you're getting fucked over no matter what you do, and dumb shits will berate you for not suffering in silence.
You’re putting the blame for a fucked population on an amoral self-centered party apparatus. The amoral self-centered party apparatus would all be hanged in a just society, don’t get me wrong - but they’re not the core of the fucking problem. The core of the fucking problem is the widespread acceptance of dogshit right-wing ideology in the population - yes, including the working class - and pretending that if only we had a DIFFERENT party apparatus, or different people in charge of it, would change that fundamentally FUCKED issue is delusional.
Holy fucking shit, you really are dumber than a sack of bricks. The core of the problem is the billionaires. You know, the ones who have been systematically demonizing left-wing ideologies since FDR dropped dead? You know, the ones that have been systematically funding and promoting right-wing ideologies because they were trying to get to this point? Nothing will get fixed while billionaires have this level of control over our government. If you're not voting for an anti-corruption or anti-billionaire candidate, if you're not organizing in your communities, and if you're content with actually voting for the lesser evil every few years instead of expecting better (or preferably DEMANDING better) of your elected officials, YOU are fucking delusional. Maybe do like the fucking lefties and go out and try to show people a better way and convince them to back anti-corruption, anti-corporate candidates at all levels of government instead of coming online to shit on the people who are actively trying to fix the problems in the government.
Jesus fucking Christ. “The GOP loves the will of the people” is not a new one, but it always astounds me how many “left-wing” commenters eagerly swallow that fascist shit in their fervor to make sure everyone knows they think the SHITLIBS are the WORST OPTION POSSIBLE.
Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said the GOP loves the will of the people. I said they listened to it, which is far more than the dems have done recently.
Cool, so now fascists have, what, over a supermajority in this country? After all, scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. How many socialists do you think there are in the US? Bernie fucking Sanders is considered a radical here. Not just by “The Establishment™”, by actual voters on the fucking ground.
Yeah, and what have you done to actually try and help matters? Get out of the basement you're dwelling in, go talk to people, and give them the education to get us out of this system and inspire the future you're so certain can never happen. What's the old saying 'Be the change you wish to see in the world'? Except, you won't, because you don't actually want that. You don't want a better society for anyone. You come in here bitching about leftists claiming "think of the minorities" and when a minority comes and calls you out for using people like me as a pawn in your ideological LARPing you turn on the minority (who voted for your dogs hit candidate may I remind you) while doing absolutely nothing to get us out of this batshit reality. Liberals are so content to sit around while it's other people's children dying to bombs or starvation that they'll sit around with a thumb up their ass 'dunking' on leftists who are asking for better. Some of y'all ain't never known suffering and it shows.
“Hey, let’s fight the literal fucking fascists!”
“Fuck off, shitlib! I’d rather see the fascists win than fight with you!”
Excuse me, but how many times in this thread have I asked you to stop attacking your fellow human beings and focus on the real enemy here? Billionaires. The 1% causes the rise of fascism every time, because fascism is the end result of unchecked capitalism. Fight the ones who put us in this situation or keep arguing on the internet while the world burns. The choice is entirely yours.
I misread, sue me. Yeah it was inflation which is again an across the board issue. Again not a lefty issue. And yeah, lefty issues made up 60%, but nowhere in that paper did it state how much overlap between issues. Again, we don't have the numbers to back it up, but I bet you all the money in my pocket versus all the money in your pockets that at least half of the people who reported that Gaza swayed their decision ALSO reported that climate change, and abortion swayed their vote. And nice try adding in immigration and democracy as 'lefty issues' as if they're not ALSO across the board issues.
And not trusting a party on an issue is only really relevent if there's only one or two issues that people don't trust the party on. When people do not trust the party on 90% of the issues, they don't trust the fucking party. Which is exactly why 62% of democrats want new leadership in the party and that's just DEMOCRATS. Not even counting left leaning independents.