We’ve known for years that trump regularly sexually assaults children, too. Trump and Epstein were co-defendants in a case in 2016 that was only dropped because the plaintiff was getting death threats, and being followed and harassed in person by hired goons.
I can’t copy-paste from pdfs on my phone for some reason, but if you have the stomach for it, pages 4-5 in that case file are especially damning. (NSFW)
It’s because Ivana is in the general section at the top, but there are specific sections after that, like ‘65th Street’, ‘Entertainment’, ‘Finance’, ‘Hotels’, ‘Island’, etc. Donald is listed under ‘Island’.
There’s also a section for ‘Massage - Florida’ that mostly includes girls’ first names (with separate entries for their moms in some cases), and several are redacted (IIRC because they were to be witnesses in his case).
Thank you. I’ve been wondering whether I had hallucinated this, since it sounds like many people have forgotten this exists.
We saw this a full decade ago. It’s the contents of his ‘black book’, and trump is listed specifically under the ‘Island’ heading.
I don’t want to argue with you in this comment section, truly. I think we have very different perspectives on the same data, and I’m struggling to see exactly how we’re coming to loggerheads here.
In everything I’ve studied, including extensive reading of his personal and professional writings (I was obsessed for a while when I was younger), I’ve come to the conclusion that Hitler was a Christian. I am nowhere near alone in this. It’s late and I’m tired, so whatever, I’ll concede this point.
I don’t get why you want to argue about the rest with me? I’ve seen your name here a lot and you seem like a cool dude. If you want to continue this with me, I guess I’m game, but tomorrow.
There are serious threads of neopaganism in evangelical Christianity now – just look at ‘crunchy moms’.
I feel like my original point has been lost. I’m specifically speaking against the ‘no true Scotsman’ thing we’re seeing, and how that thinking is leading many people to accidentally cheerlead for the very forces that are ripping us apart.
Do his words and actions which contradict that after he took power not matter by comparison?
Which words and actions? Do you have sources?
Every time I’ve heard this, nobody can give actual sources. I can, though, for everything from a sanctioned christian state to the individual regulations for official Nazi groups and the delegation of medals. For instance:
Before 1933, in fact, some bishops prohibited Catholics in their dioceses from joining the Nazi Party. This ban was dropped after Hitler's March 23, 1933, speech to the Reichstag in which he described Christianity as the “foundation” for German values. The Centre Party was dissolved as part of the signing of a 1933 Concordat between the Vatican and Nazi governmental representatives, and several of its leaders were murdered in the Röhm purge in July 1934.
Do you have sources to refute this?
E: sorry, I just saw you’re not my original interlocutor. I’m not trying to be adversarial here.
I’m sorry, but this reads as the many, many coping ‘readings’ that try to downplay his overt Christianity.
I get it, and I’m not trying to attack you, but this is just wrong.
He did not convert in the years after this quote, as can be evidenced by his favouring of the church up to the end days, the Catholic Church supporting his efforts due to mutual reciprocity, his integration of christian teachings and outright requirements into the Nazi requirements (including requirements for medals), continued iconography, etc.
I’m sorry if it hurts, but Hitler was a Christian, and you can’t say his own words don’t matter because a quote is from a few years before he took power.
By the end of the 1930s, the Reich was pretty anti-religion.
They objectively weren’t. Can I ask where you’re getting that impression?
It’s really not complicated. Christians have just tried to make it so for a long time.
There’s overwhelming evidence that Hitler was a staunch Christian: the man himself said:
We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity. Our movement is Christian.
I get annoyed when people denigrate reading or owning Mein Kampf – everyone should read it. The myths of Hitler have overshadowed the truths, and we need to learn from the truths.
His movement was one of a religious zealot taking those beliefs to extremes, which involved the decimation of another in the Abrahamic triad, as happens with alarming regularity.
Or colonisation in Africa or South America, or in Australia and New Zealand, or basically everywhere xtians have gone. Amongst their mandates in the bible is to spread their beliefs to ‘lower’ cultures, after all. Ya know, to ‘save’ them.
Or the Holocaust – fun fact, Hitler wasn’t atheist, that’s just one more thing xtians lie about to distance themselves from it; the Nazis required prayers in school, included it in their oaths, and steeped their iconography in it.
It’s insane how many widespread genocides have their roots in this toxic mythology.
e: there are some extreme recent examples, too, like the guy who tried bringing Jesus to the North Sentinelese, with tragically predictable results. But he believed in the mission, just like the rest of the brainwashed. Unfortunately they’re going to kill us instead of themselves.
He’s a sore loser whose pettiness and insecurity know no bounds. He’ll never emotionally recover from that loss, and the only way he can cope is to get everyone else to agree that he didn’t, in fact, lose.
Remember, this is the guy who, after a journalist called him a ‘short-fingered vulgarian’, mailed him photographs of himself with his hands circled and notes like ‘See, not so short!’ for 25 years.