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[–] Libb@jlai.lu 2 points 6 months ago

So things like running headers, simple reference lists formatted correctly with hanging indents. Running page counts.

Styles (Paragraph, characters and pages styles) should be able to deal with most of that.

The ability to insert figures easily without altering layout dramatically.

In a program like a word processor, any added image will more or less dramatically screw up the existing layout. There is no workaround that as things on the page need to move around to make room for the new one, or to fill the space left by the one that you just removed.

Also it’s important to keep in mind that apps like Word, Writer, Google Docs or Apple Pages do rely on the availability of the fonts used in the original document to correctly display the document on the viewer’s computer. So, if you open a document on a second computer n which there is not the same fonts, another font will be used which may not share the exact same properties as the original one and may screw up the layout more or less completely. Or you need to create a PDF file that anyone on any computer will be able to opne and display exactly as it was created but not to edit or certainly not as easily and in a much more limited manner that just opening the wordprocessor file itself. Here again, there is no perfect solution.

The good news is that LibreOffice comes with its own preinstalled fonts and they are the same on Linux, Mac and Windows so it would be safer to stick whit those fonts and not use anything fancy. It can also easily create PDF.

But, imho, the real good advice would be encourage your students (and maybe their teachers too) to not worry about page layout while they’re writing the paper. And to only work on the layout after they have finished writing it. Just don’t care about margin or look, colors, anything. It’s wasted time and energy while one is writing.

They should only use a few Styles to format Headings and paragraphs of text, things like that’s it. Doing that, it will be much simpler when they start working on the layout to format everything at once exactly like they want or need it. And it should be much faster too because they will only have to do it once, and won’t have to constantly be adjusting things here and there every time they add or remove a picture, or change some text.

That being said, Styles in LO Writer are not a magic wand that will do stuff automatically. They help a lot but one still need to learn to use them properly—never, ever use direct or manual formatting, never use the Enter key to add space between two lines or to create a page break, and so on. So, I insiste, but I don’t think there is a solution that will simply work out iof the box… beside hiring someone to do the layout for them (what many publishers do, btw: they have their own in-house design team or a freelance guy/team they hire to do exactly that).

More info on Styles and templates in Writer:

Im embarassed to say

There is no need to be ;)

I am unfamiliar with styles and will be looking into learning more about them. I’ve gotten sadly complacent with the familiarity of working in the school reccomended google apps for so long. Never too late to learn though!

Indeed. I learned to mend clothes aged 40, I learned to solder electronics aged 45 and to write Linux scripts aged 50+.

Thanks for your thoughts

You’re welcome.

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

The school doesn’t pay for a Microsoft license, and some students have expressed feeling unsafe and uncomfortable supporting google.

I can relate to their feeling. The same with with MS Word.

have suggested Libreoffice as its what I use but some of the students are really struggling with formatting their papers to academic standards in this software. Admittedly, I agree, Libre takes 7-14 steps to do some things google can do in two clicks. I would like to look into alternatives.

I see mention of LaTeX, imho forget about it. It's great but if your students already are complaining about clicking a few buttons and menus in LO Writer, I doubt they will enjoy configuring LaTeX at all as it's really complex to setup and it's also very, very technical. (It is also very much English focused by default, which means there will be a few more tweaks required to make it support other languages and where that turns out to be real fun is that said tweaks may vary depending the libraries you're relying on since you install various ones and, of course, the doc will not always be reflecting that exactly.)

Most of the writing applications I’m seeing both free and paid tend to be for creative writers or note taking and I am not seeing tools to make running titles or easily format your sources.

Have you considered using templates (and Styles) with LibreOffice Writer?

You could have all your formatting be exactly like you need it to be and you (or anyone else) would only need to prepare it once and make it available to all your students. So, the template being 7 or 14 steps would not mean much since they would not need to do it at all and the one person doing it would doi it only once.

What they would need to (learn to) do is to use Styles, in Writer. Like they are supposed to (learn to) use them in Word, and like in a very limited way they can do in Google Docs too. Imho between the three word processors, Writer is the best at managing Styles but it wills till require some basic learning like showing them what styles are and why they're so useful, where they are and how to apply them in Writer.

Without using Styles in a word processor, you will need to rely on LaTeX or some lighter markup language (like Markdown combined with say Pandoc, which are way simpler than LaTeX but also much more limited in terms of page layout and notes management).

Also, there is no ready-made tool available that you 'simply use'. They all need to be tweaked in some way to meet expectations and the simplest way I can think of is by using Styles. What are Styles you may ask? Think one type of content (title, simple paragraph, notes, illustrations, ...) being associated to a set of formatting rules that are automatically applied to it whenever it is used).

It could help to share some real example of the type of setings you're looking for (what do you want to do?) so others may be able to tell you if and with what app it's doable ;)

In summary, Libre Office:

  • Is Libre software.

  • It use an open format, ODT, that is documented.

  • Can be used to write in many languages.

  • Works great with Styles, allowing documents to be (easily) precisely (or loosely) formatted.

  • Doesn't push AI crap, or any other type of connected crap.

  • Doesn't spy on anyone (you can even deactivate the little banner that pops up once in a while asking for a donation)

  • Can do Styles and use templates to create very neatly formatted documents.

  • Is preinstalled with most Linux distributions out of the box, and is easy to install on Mac and on Windows.

  • is NOT as precises as LaTeX, but is also much simpler to learn and use.

  • is NOT available for mobile, but I have yet to see anyone writing a full book or even an article on a phone screen ;)

  • is NOT as simple as using Markdown and Pandoc but offers all formating control 99% of users wil ever need AND offers a much easier way to work collaboratively between non-geek users.

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 7 points 6 months ago

In France, the alternative to craiglist would most probably be leboncoin.fr.

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 5 points 6 months ago

Intéressant. Et un utile rappel de l'importance de ne pas museler les lanceurs d'alerte. D'accord pour ne pas hurler au loup (ou réclamer une 'justice' instantanée) au moindre prétexte, mais surtout ne pas refuser de les entendre ni rendre insupportable (par ses conséquences légales/pénales) leur choix de devenir un lanceur d'alerte.

En tant qu'utilisateur de produits Apple, je garderai un oeil sur cette histoire. Mais bon, déjà que j'enferme mon téléphone dans une boite (ou alors je l'éteins) afin de museler son micro intégré... c'est que je suis déjà être incurablement suspicieux, si pas carrément parano.

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Anyway, you seem to be focused on arguing without having any real argument to defend your opinion.

You seem pretty sure about that, I would not want to contradict you the slightest. I will get back to reading my (sometimes) pay-walled but billionaire-free articles. Thx for sharing your opinion, have a nice day.

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

I don’t know what are you digging into.

Digging into?

I just say that reading news may be more enriching or, if you prefer, more useful when it's not practiced like if it was a sausage eating contest.

You seem to enjoy eating a lot of news, that's ok if that's your thing, I'm only suggesting that eating less and more selectively could help you realize that all pay-walled content is not created for 'enriching billionaires', like you said earlier. Don't get me wrong though, this is just a suggestion and you're more than welcome to keep stuffing yourself with as much news as you fancy.

I read by hour, due to my free time(usually it does fetch 50 articles per hour, much less on holidays and I only read the interesting ones to me.)

50 articles per hour? That's not reading, that's scrolling. Which is perfectly fine, here again don't get me wrong, but scrolling a list of titles does not equal reading them (aka, getting a clear idea of what the author wrote and then be able to summarize their argument reliably).

50 articles per hour means spending at most 1 minute and somewhere between 10 or 20 seconds to read each article (with enough attention to be able to understand what is read) and that's only if one is using every single minute of that hour, not doing anything else like scratching one's nose not even yawning out of exhaustion.
I'm impressed this is perfect for you, and glad you found a system that works wonders. It certainly would not be perfect for me. Even though I consider myself an intensive reader I'm also not much into stuffing myself like you may have understood already. Also, I do not worry much about people sharing links to pay-walled content since it rarely worries me when I can't read one specific article.

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 2 points 6 months ago

Ou si vous avez mieux à conseiller. ProtonMail leur patron a publié des positions déjà évoquées soutenant les Républicains ou l’administration US :(

Ne pas accorder crédit au dernier buzz et autres drama socialement avivés par l'inquiétant besoin qu'ont certains de pouvoir s'indigner et dénoncer, serait une bonne base de travail. (Moinssage dans 3, 2, 1...)

Chercher une alternative reste une bonne idée, quoi que tu puisses penser d'une boîte ou de son patron ;) Tuta.com, mail.org par exemple.

J’en parlerai peut-être séparément. J’hésite toujours entre Ubuntu et Fedora :(

Mint ;)

Adobe Illustrator -> Serif Affinity Designer

Inkscape.

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 4 points 6 months ago

Quand je dors 6h, j'appelle ça faire la grasse matinée ;)

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 10 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I follow more than 300 news sources by RSS (all without paywalls), how wide you want me to go?

I did not mean 'widen' in that sense—reading and being informed is not about the quantity of news one can swallow in a day, you know—but with the idea of reading different sources.

Also, may I ask how can you be reading three fucking hundred news sources regularly (not daily, obviously) with any sort of attention?

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 11 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Paywalls literally exist to support billionaires and their media empires.

Seriously? You may want to consider widening your news source, maybe.

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 12 points 6 months ago

Which bring me to this: Why does no one thought about blocking hard paywalled articles for the sake of quality of discussion?

Why block (aka, censor) a link?

  1. People are free to subscribe if they want to, they at least get a link to the source.
  2. People can often find workarounds if they can't/refuse to pay but they would still need the link to know what exact ref they should search for.
[–] Libb@jlai.lu 3 points 6 months ago

Any advice for getting started with journalling? It’s been recommended to me but it’s not something I’ve ever really done before.

It's excellent advice (that's coming from a 50+ years old dude, so you know) as a journal can help you a lot in many various ways (memories of events, putting some order in your thoughts, facing personal difficulties,...).

How to do it depends a lot of things like what are your existing habits (do yo write already, or not much? There is no right or wrong answer but a need for shorter than longer wirting sessions for example), what you want to do with your journal (memories, pretty pages, thinking self-reflecting assistant,...) and even who you are as a person but as a general rule:

  1. Keep it as simple as you can,
  2. Be fine with your journal not being perfect, and with you not looking perfect in it either.
  3. Be ok with making breaks. I've been journaling for almost 50 years and I've been not journaling some times for a few years. That's OK. A journal is a tool, like a hammer is and would be surprised if I told you and I don't carry my hammer everywhere I go and don't use it all day long? ;)

All you need to start is a decent pen (aka something you find pleasant to write with and that will not tire your hand too fast), a cheap but decent notebook or an easy to use app, if you're more interested in digital (an app you can quickly open and start writing in), some calm spot where you can wit and write and some time (not much). I shared some advice here, but there are other tidbits spread in the other discussions too. The idea is simply to remove as much friction as possible between you and actually writing in your journal. Be it analog or digital. It doesn't matter how and with what tool you want to journal.

Also, be fine with making mistakes and with writing some real stupid shit. We all do. I constantly do. That's legit part of a journal... it's not a novel, or an essay. It's not a work of art. It's notes to your (future) self.

Related to making mistakes: not worrying about being judged helps a lot.
It's ok do do mistakes. In fact, it's even an essential part of learning anything (that is worth learning, I mean). We all learn through trial and error, by experimenting. So, be happy to experiment freely (aka as stupidly or as daringly as you want) in you journal, because it is yours and no one else. What anyone else may think of it should not matter the slightest.

If you want to discuss more about starting and keeping at it, you're welcome to join. We've gotten quite a few new members those last weeks but we're still real short on people sharing content which, in my opinion, includes beginner questions and doubts about starting a journal, and how to journal. The invitation is open to anyone else, obviously: !journaling@sh.itjust.works

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