Libb

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[–] Libb@jlai.lu 1 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Even a 40-50€ lens would be a huge upgrade to any smartphone.

If I read the paper correctly the lens will have its own sensor. Integrated in it. It will also use laser to communicate with the phone. I doubt it will ever be that 'cheap'.

Also, for this lens to be something enough customers will want to purchase, it won't be allowed to be a basic lens. Marketing has taken over what little remained of photography in the photography business and many people don't buy a camera anymore, they buy specs (no blaming, here).

So this lens will need to open wide. Forget a basic f5.6, looking at actual smartphone specs I wouldn't be surprised to see it being f2.8 or wider (no matter how crazy that would be to anyone knowing a little about photography because that's only marketing talking) and that can't be cheap. And then, it will need to seduce a large audience of non expert photographers by offering them a large enough range. So we probably can forget a fixed 35 or 50mm (even if those would be amazing tools). We may even forget a basic zoom with say a reasonable but limited 35-80mm range (here again, limited only in the marketing world that is now ruling). At least, to begin with and in order to create a viable new market, one will need to offer some high-quality lenses, aka expensive. If there is a cheap lens available it won't be sold extra, almost no one will rush to buy it, and it will need to be sold with the phone, included in its price or at a serious discount. Like one can buy a cheap 'kit lens' with most bodies. But kit lenses don't have sensors and they don't work using laser. And we've not yet considered the extra weight, bulk, and inconvenience of carrying a lens that the user will need to fix every time they want to use it. Instead of just snapping a picture with their phone's integrated camera. And, like I mentioned earlier, the extra fragility a magnetic systems implies to me.

So, really I don't see how it will be doable. To be clear, I'm not saying any of that will happen or that it will fail. I can't predict the future (I would be rich :p). I just shared my first reaction looking at the pictures and reading how the lens was supposed to behave. Never intended it to be a deep consideration of the question.

If I was to seriously consider it? More than an new type of lens (extra cost and bulk and fragility and less pocketability), if I was an investor, I would put a lot more of my money on the AI side of photography.

AI post- and live-treatments should revolutionize the way we take pictures and even the way we think about photography. Exactly photography itself, back then, revolutionized the way painters had to think about their art and how they practiced it (and how they were selling it to their customers).

What matters here is that all those AI changes that we yet to see appearing won't require much, if any, change in lens design and photographic gear itself, nor on the phone thickness. It's all software. Meaning no extra bulk, and no extra-cost... beside the unavoidable subscription that will undoubtedly be associated with using it (here too no need to be predicting the future to see that coming ;)

Like I said, I'm impressed by the concept and would love to see it work for real. But I would not put a cent of my (very hypothetical) investor money on it.

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Thx a lot for the clarification.

I would say that I don't see the EU and Europe as being the same thing, so why not two communities? I would also suggest 'nature' will do its selection work all by itself, no need to decide for it. Finally, I would suggest it's not to one community to decide the future of another community.

But that's just me ;)

We’ll sort that out in a relaxed manner and see where the path leads. All the 980ish users here should at least have a say on that topic.

Couldn't agree more.

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 6 points 5 months ago

In the last couple year or so, I have noticed what may be the beginning of shift but by large most people still are simply buying whatever they want/need, and if at all possible they will buy it at the lowest price (aka Amazon) and who would blame them seeing how everything is becoming stupidly crazy expensive? Even subscriptions are out of control, it's absurd.

The less impactful motivation around here being 'by local/EU don't buy GAFAM/US' thing. People don't seem to care much, if at all. Thing may change if price keep rising but I really would not bet on that. You would have told me in 2007 (first iPhone released) people would queue to pay 1500€+ for a... phone...

What I've noticed on the other hand is more and more people (my age and younger) wanting to refocus their live on things that matter (a job that would mean something, more time with their loved ones), and with the advent of AI I've seen a lot of people wanting to find things to do with their own hands. But that's local out of necessity you can hardly be a craftsman (or at least earn a living being one) with your customers living over one side of the planet and your source material being on the other side ;)

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

It’ll be along the line that people should kind of vote on the /c/buyFromEU and /c/buyeuropean matter.

I feel a bit out of the loop here, may I ask what is the matter exactly?

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 7 points 5 months ago

It's a bit like going to a local shop instead of ordering online, Amazon or otherwise. It takes more time to go to the shop, it also costs something (in order to get there in person, or to pass a phone call), it also means having to meet people (which can be an issue when you're not much into meeting people). It can also be longer to get the stuff from another shop.

It's a choice, and it's up to anyone to decide what they want and can do. I still use Amazon but I try to use it as little as I can. Which is already a huge change.

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

Looks like a very clever feat. Really impressed.

But grumpy-old-me would immediately point out to the much smarter than I engineers that developed this prototype there has been a very stupid reason why (traditional) camera makers have not been using magnetically-only attach mechanisms to fix lenses on a camera body.

Quality lenses can be very expensive—and I have very little doubt that lenses that come with their own integrated sensor and are operated through a micro proprietary laser beam thingy, will also be very expensive—and as rudimentary as it is a locking mechanism, unlike tiny magnets, will made pretty sure the lens won't ever fall off the camera and end its live on the ground in tiny very expensive shreds of high-tech splattered all over the place.

Sure, one could easily add a locking mechanism on the lens and on the phone but wouldn't that go against the Unquestionable True Religion that says You Shall not Use Fat Phones—because fuck practicality, thin design is what's it's all about. Just askin' ;)

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 10 points 5 months ago

However, there’s lots of assholes who are negative towards other AI Developers because they’re envious because they suck.

You seem to be on a great starting point here.
May I ask your opinion on why you think some people don't like bananas? Is it because these people suck or are envious (of the much better people that do like bananas, I suppose), or may we propose the daring idea that they simply don't like the taste of a banana? Asking for a friend that doesn't like bananas and is not even ashamed of admitting it. He doesn't like AI much either, I must say.

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I use them for:

  • Sketching. Royal Talens ArtCreation sktechbooks in A5 size. Plain paper
  • Journaling (I'm the admin of !journaling@sh.itjust.works) in the same sketchbook I just mentioned (they're great with fountain pens). Plain paper.
  • Quick note-taking on the go, in a pocket notebook (Clairefontaine).

I almost entirely quit digital note-taking (I do have a blog, though). I take all my notes on good old index cards that I store in my own version of the Zettelkasten.

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Great, subscribed!
BTW, you may want to check our journaling community at !journaling@sh.itjust.works ;) edit: and check the links I added in the sidebar to find other interesting communities.

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

If by culture you mean Lemmy's users values, beliefs, or ideals there is nothing special I appreciate (or don't appreciate). I mean, for me it's irrelevant as it's all personal preferences like the fact that I don't like bananas, or that we have not owned a TV for 25 years (glad to know others may share similar preferences, but it's no big deal if they don't).

I care about Lemmy itself not being like Reddit. It's not ad-driven, there is no algorithmic 'optimization',, it's not trying to milk our content and also it's not being owned by one of those billionaires that think their pile of money means they know better than all of us. In that, it's very different than Reddit, but at the same time I also expect to meet similar kind of people on Lemmy I used to meet on Reddit.

Interesting, or less interesting, people. People I agree with, and more often people I do not agree with (which is fine by me). Very smart people, while others do have the brain power of a brick. Nice people, or naughty or even hateful ones. People whose values I share, others I don't and never will (you can go funk yourself, fascists of all types). People who like what I like, and many others that don't and never will (see my banana and TV examples ;).

And then I also expect tp meet people who think it's enough to ask their question without even trying to give it the some context or explanation (say, people who ask what we appreciate most in Lemmy culture without explaining what they mean by that), next to people that try their best to give as much context/explanation as they can ;)

Edit: typos + clarifications.

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

on dit chocolatine, soit dit en passant

"Mmmpf", dis-je en mordant une nouvelle fois à pleines dents dans cette pâtisserie encore toute croustillante qui vient de chez notre boulanger au coin de la rue qui, s'il ne se trouve pas être un dieu (sachons raison garder, comme disait l'autre) se trouve quand même être un sacré champion dans son domaine. "Punaise, c’est dingue comment il est bon son pain au chocolat."

Mic drop — c’est comme ça que disent les jeunes, n’est-ce pas ? :p

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 3 points 6 months ago

Je ne sais pas si je suis un des 'vous' auquel tu t'adressais mais je vis pas loin de la grosse bistouquette en métal qui fait la fierté d'une certaine ville de France — et apparemment aussi l'envie du monde entier, vu le flot de touristes qui viennent la mater chaque année ;)

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