Well, merging communities means trying to reduce the number of alternative communities on the same topic, or did I miss something?
But, like I said, I'm not saying it is not doable. I'm only sharing how I felt reading the OP post.
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So… Reddit?
I don't know, I just shared agut feeling while reading the OP. And I'm not saying it's what we should thrive for, just sharing that gut feeling about what, like I said, I consider a critical issue on Lemmy.
With the cancelled third-party apps, the visible ads, the ads hiding as posts, the powertripping mods (but unpaid as well), the algorithm trying to get the most “engagement” by showing hateful content?
That's a whole other discussion imho. But if you want to discuss about that:
- I only talked about a centralized system (aka, a unified one) and, once again, I did not say it was the solution only that it felt like that while I was reading the post. As far as I know, centralization does not imply the obligation to rely on algorithm (and ads, paywalls, or nothing dirty like that).
- As far as mods abusing their power is an issue (it is), I think we do have a few on Lemmy too. Isn't there a community dedicated to that issue?
- Ditto for the 'hateful content' (and I would add the extremely low effort posts too), it was a pain on Reddit, it's a pain on Lemmy too there is just of it on Lemmy because there are less of us posting ;)
I consider the Reddit default home page an insult to any half-working brain but I would not be much more sympathetic to Lemmy's default feed either. I remember we briefly discussed that already: I'd rather see an empty feed by default, with only a short-ish selection of very broad categories the user would pick from to start seeing content that they're interested in. And only that content, not all the crap. They would then be able to start fine tuning their selection. Something like that. - Reducing Reddit to what you listed here would be... unfair to the great content and great discussion one can easily find over there. As an ex-Reddit user, after an adaptation time (learning how to get rid of the default crap feed and how to remove the crap ads, learning what subs were better ignored) I had a great time using Reddit (and that is despite its poor UI). I did not quit using it because of the flow of hate or the flow of moronic content, nor because of abusive mods (quite the opposite, I appreciated their work... thx to fine selection of the few subs I was subscribed to). I did not quit reddit for that, no more than I would quit Lemmy for those flaws either. I left because I hated how Reddit, the corporation, took hold of our content and started restricting access to our content in order to negotiate deals with partners. And started talking about paywalling some of it. I briefly explained it as a last post on my Reddit profile and I close the door behind me.
But I do miss those interesting discussions I had, and I miss a few subs too (r/Simpleliving, would be the first one I would mention).
If I was not admitting I miss that I would be a liar. - I also find it difficult to motivate/encourage more people to join and participate here on Lemmy because I'm myself constantly faced with the 'messy' aspects of Lemmy. I'm stubborn and I decided I could live with them (happily) but I also know many people are not ok with that and it's unlikely they ever will.
Hence me agreeing with the OP: Lemmy being as fragmented as it is is a critical issue.
Hence, the second part of my comment: it feels to me that the only easy/obvious solution is to rely on a centralized system. I'm not saying it's what should be done (I would not be part of the fediverse if I had no desire to see an alternative to that centralization). I may be wrong in that, most probably I'm (I have no technical expertise) but it still is what I felt while reading the post. Nothing more.
And for the rest, let the downvoters enjoy their very own moment of power ;)
Sure :p
I quite agree with the issue described and I 100% agree it's a critical one but, because none of the proposed solution seem to be ideal, I'm also wondering if this doesn't end up saying the right model, right in the sense that it will work with/feel much more simpler to most users, is a centralized system and not a federated one?
I’ll say this: I believe in a world run by corporate interests, piracy is similar to civil disobedience. If we collectively decide to create friction to the functioning of the system, it can in combination with other ways of resistance influence the situation in our favour.
I agree with that wholeheartedly. I'm just saying piracy is not such a friction, quite the opposite. And if we try to influence the situation, something we both care about, recognizing that is not of little importance. Obviously, I may be mistaken but money talk loudly how ineffective piracy seem to be.
Not everyone has the option to turn off from certain technologies.
Never discussed that. Only reacted to the 'cultural' issue mentioned and the idea that piracy was some kind of resistance to capitalism because in my opinion it is not. At best, it is a way for people without money to access some product or service (which I have nothing against) but it certainly does not fight capitalism, quite the contrary it still fuels it.
My employment requires me to use social media websites (but I can choose to block ads on them)
If it's pro usage, and if the tool is costing money, my opinion is that it should be paid for, end of the discussion. Simply put, I know no business that does not get paid for doing their business (don't tell me you're working for free, or that your company does not send invoices to customers and does not expect to get paid?). So, since doing business is all about getting paid, it's only fair to also pay for other's business one's own business relies on. Be it a license of Word or Photoshop, or pack of ink cartridges and a stack of paper.
Piracy of MS office doesn’t impact Microsoft much because Microsoft is primarily a cloud and enterprise IT company.
In what year were released Photoshop, MS Office and Windows? And in what year did MS entered the cloud business (and then in what year did it become the dominant part of their balance sheet? And for Adobe?). Piracy was heavily going on years prior to their adoption of cloud, it still never hurt them, quite the contrary it helped them grow more.
Like I already said, I'm not against piracy (people are free). I just don't like when I see things getting all mixed up and leading to even more confusion.
Piracy is not resistance. Piracy is not paying for something that is supposed to be paid for. Resisting that model of society (capitalistic, consumerist) is a whole other thing.
Piracy isn’t mutually exclusive with supporting your favourite artists.
Like paying taxes is not exclusive to donating to charities. Still, how many among us do pay their taxes and then donate to charities? How many donate to their favorite artists?
Like reading free news online is not exclusive with paying for paid newspapers/magazines/paywalled websites. How much of us still pay for those?
Like using Free/Libre Software is not exclusive of donating to support them but how many of us do that? I would be curious to listen to devs on that matter.
Moreover, even when using Europa products and services you still perpetuate the culture of uncontrolled capitalism and enriching tech billionaires.
Then, if the issue is the existence of that 'culture' one should not use these apps at all, not even pirated. Because piracy of those apps still amounts to using them which make the 'culture' stronger.
Consume without paying and that does more damage to their bottomlines.
Can you remind me how badly piracy of MS Office and Windows Microsoft hurt their stock value? And how badly piracy of Photoshop hurt Adobe stocks? Yeah, not at all.
Additionally, pirate media as much as you can and be unapologetic about it. Favenooyis doing it, so can you. Pirate music, movies, books they’re all available. Torrents community has never been safer and better organised.
Not all artists are sponsored by some billionaire, many do need to earn a living. Lucky for you if you have enough wealth to not need to get paid for your work.
That being said, everyone is more than welcome to do whatever they want. I just prefer when one doesn't try to make it look for what it is not. Piracy is not helping anyone but the pirate not wanting to pay and it's not hurting corporations—it could easily kill an indie dev, though. Edit: as well as small indie artists.
From one chronically ill person to another, thx for sharing that. Liked it :)
100% agree, on both.
I see, thx.
They're not exclusive.
I have a website (check my profile) and I also post here. One is my personal space, like my virtual home (like my home, I pay for it) the other is a space where I can share content and participate in open discussions when I fancy doing so.
i’m going to be honest tho, on my reddit account i just got to 1k karma!!
What is karma worth today? Ask your banker how well karma trades against dollars and see what you can you buy with 1k karma, or with 7.4K karma... yep, I just logged back into my reddit account to check how much karma I had in my reddit-bank account :p
It's worthless. It's just a gimmick and a trick to keep people wasting even more of their time. Like you said:
i think some of it is taking a lot of my time!!
It does. And not some of it, most of it.
Focus on what matters, which is not some virtual reward that has zero value.
I have no idea and like (I think) I said, I'm not even sure that's an option we should consider. It's just it feels likes there is this path circling back to centralization and that makes me wonder.
That's why I (want to) believe in the fediverse. If something like that were to happen and that's also why I'm not sure centralization is a solution.