oh, I never thought of taxes being like that!
Kolibri
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I saw this while reading Ch.9.
The essential difference between the various economic forms of society, between, for instance, a society based on slave-labour, and one based on wage-labour, lies only in the mode in which this surplus-labour is in each case extracted from the actual producer, the labourer
and it reminded me of this from near the end of Ch.1
spoiler
Let us now picture to ourselves, by way of change, a community of free individuals, carrying on their work with the means of production in common, in which the labour power of all the different individuals is consciously applied as the combined labour power of the community. All the characteristics of Robinson’s labour are here repeated, but with this difference, that they are social, instead of individual. Everything produced by him was exclusively the result of his own personal labour, and therefore simply an object of use for himself. The total product of our community is a social product. One portion serves as fresh means of production and remains social. But another portion is consumed by the members as means of subsistence. A distribution of this portion amongst them is consequently necessary. The mode of this distribution will vary with the productive organisation of the community, and the degree of historical development attained by the producers. We will assume, but merely for the sake of a parallel with the production of commodities, that the share of each individual producer in the means of subsistence is determined by his labour time. Labour time would, in that case, play a double part. Its apportionment in accordance with a definite social plan maintains the proper proportion between the different kinds of work to be done and the various wants of the community. On the other hand, it also serves as a measure of the portion of the common labour borne by each individual, and of his share in the part of the total product destined for individual consumption. The social relations of the individual producers, with regard both to their labour and to its products, are in this case perfectly simple and intelligible, and that with regard not only to production but also to distribution.
but in which just like, it seems like that surplus labour in like a socialist mode, would like go back to the community and follow that centrally planned economy? Along with like being extracted differently, which wouldn't be exploitive but like someone working to contribute to their community, or like what Marx said here
Its apportionment in accordance with a definite social plan maintains the proper proportion between the different kinds of work to be done and the various wants of the community
I relate to that, I was like reading a bunch of other books to, but in the end I kind of just dropped them all and I'm just primarily reading Das Kapital now. and even then it still takes me a while to read
I really like those moments in life, when like, finding a new song and just immediately liking to it and vibing to it. there something nice about that.
sleep is really nice, I just wish I could sleep more if I wasn't feeling extremely nauseous. I feel like a mess.
15, 5, 3 and 2
I wish, cars can go to hell
I hate these assholes so fucking much, stuff like this really makes me want to cry
oh I didn't notice, kind of makes it funny and makes me less upset
On the math stuff on this chapter, how did Marx get the calculations for like neccesary labour hours, and then the surplus labour for this part?
I was following along but then he lost me here. I'm not sure how he got like 3 31/33 hours or like 6 2/33 for surplus labour? I know from above in section 1 of ch.9, that 153 11/13%, besides being like rate of surplus, means like there that degree of exploitation to? Since s/v is also (surplus labour)/(necessary labour). and in that 10 hours, like a majority of it making that surplus and that 80. and then rest of it, is the necessary labor or that 52? I just don't know how exactly Marx got like 3 31/33 hours when applied over 10 hours, or like 6 2/33 for surplus labor for a 10 hour work day? I'm really rusty on my math in general
also unrelated.