Josiane

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[–] Josiane@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Exactly, that’s how trauma happens. :(

[–] Josiane@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

You’re right, we’re just being trained to be good little workers. It’s such a sick society… not that work is not important, it is. There’s always a lot to get done. But we’re not working-machines either.

[–] Josiane@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Right? What are we doing if our leaders are mentally ill? Not that anyone is perfectly healthy. But I would think being ‘emotionally shut down’ is a major concern? Someone is making decisions that have a high impact on the population and they can’t even feel empathy? Clearly that doesn’t work. :-/

[–] Josiane@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

People who suffer from mental health issues are very ‘limited’ in how much they can do. When you’re healthier, which is the point of psychedelic therapy, you’re much more capable, more clear-minded… This type of therapy is not to pacify people but to help them heal. So I wouldn’t worry about that, I don’t think it’s a concern. Health is always a good thing. But true that anger can be a good motivator to take action, but being disabled by mental illness is not. It makes you incapable of doing much, you’re just constantly trying to cope with the symptoms you’re dealing with. I think if someone realizes that they’ve been robbed of their life because of mental illness and that the mental illness was caused by the system they live in, there would still be plenty of anger and motivation left to take action. If anything you’d just be much more capable to do so.

[–] Josiane@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 years ago

I think it’s great that you’re able to apologize and learn from it, we’re all a work in progress! ;) Sometimes we get fed up and over-emotional, we all have bad days…

[–] Josiane@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I believe it… It’s like order and control takes priority, nobody cares about our health and well-being, maybe not even your parents. How can you be healthy when your parents, your employer and your society doesn’t even care about you and your feelings. :-/

[–] Josiane@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Absolutely, it is. 👍

[–] Josiane@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

That’s exactly what he says, but I feel like science can provide proof of this now, even though it was already obvious. 🙄 He says ‘It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society’. From a young age, I always felt like something was ‘wrong’, but didn’t know what it was… I more often felt like there was something wrong with me or with the fact that no one was talking about it. Personally I always felt like the system I live in was very much against me, just trying to trick me into getting my money all the time... They would even ask me to do unethical things in the workplace, which didn’t seem right. And I live in Canada, where things are not so bad, but still not great either.

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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Josiane@lemmygrad.ml to c/thedeprogram@lemmygrad.ml
 

I don’t know if any of you are familiar with Gabor Maté’s work, he’s a well-respected Canadian psychologist and medical doctor. But I feel like some of the things he has to say could definitely support your cause. For one he says that the economy runs on people’s traumas, meaning he believes that trauma, which is common these days (but still not a well-known fact), creates addictions in people. And the reason why people consume so much is because of their addictions. He also points out that it’s the system we live in, which he describes as ‘toxic’, that causes traumas in people (he also says that our system is not at all supportive of mothers).

I can answer questions on trauma if anyone is interested, I’m no expert but somewhat well-informed on the subject or I can at least cover the basics. Or I would recommend reading the book Healing Trauma by Peter Levine which is short and easy, it also comes with exercises you can do from home to heal your own traumas. The documentary The Wisdom of Trauma is also very good.

And this is all science-based information, although I’m not entirely sure what is his own opinion and what is backed by science. But trauma is well-known amongst therapists. The good news is that there’s some relatively easy way for people to heal their traumas or to at least improve their symptoms (trauma can cause all sorts of symptoms). I used a method called Somatic Experiencing and got amazing results. I’m just thinking that this really supports your cause, if people start to become more aware of their traumas and are able to heal them, it could mean that people will have less addictions and therefore will start consuming less and this would affect the economy negatively (or you could say positively). Which creates more incentive to change the system… Also, I think if people become more aware of the fact that the system they live in is toxic to their health in many ways AND even traumatizes their children, I can’t imagine that anyone would want that to continue.

Something else he said is that he thinks that people from the Right are ‘emotionally shut down’. Which means that if someone experiences too much pain they can shut down emotionally, and no longer feel things as a normal, healthy person would. So the question is whether someone who’s in a position of power should be unable to feel empathy? Is this something that should be allowed in our society?

I honestly don’t know much about politics, but want to learn, but I know a little about psychology and I often wonder how what we know about psychology could be applied to politics or how it could be applied to change society in general. I might be wrong, but I’m seeing some huge potential in this type of information.

How this is also very powerful is that people can see more of how their society affects them personally. If it’s affecting your own health and your own children, you’re much more likely to take action and want change than if you’re talking about society and politics. I think for a lot of people that can seem a little more remote or out of reach…

Also if anyone here is struggling with their own addictions, I would encourage you to try Somatic Experiencing to see if it helps. Medical doctors are not trained in emotional trauma, so there’s a chance they would diagnose someone with a medical illness when they’re actually experiencing symptoms caused by trauma.

I wouldn’t mind hearing people’s thoughts on this... I know this information can be somewhat ‘shocking’ when you first hear it. But you’re better off knowing than not knowing, at least you can do something about it. I would suggest looking up Gabor Maté and Peter Levine’s YouTube videos for more information.

[–] Josiane@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It’s really stupid, everyone knows it’s not a joke. Them saying that is just a way of getting away with it, also this way they don’t have to take a good hard look at themselves and their behaviour. People can really be awful. :-/

It’s like being abusive while trying to make it look like it’s not abusive… 🙄

[–] Josiane@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

People that do emotional abuse really do get away with murder… you’re right, no one is treating it as something ‘serious’, but it is, it just murders people from the inside. Part of this is that it’s much harder to prove emotional abuse, often it’s debatable whether it is or not. I’m still unsure if my parents are emotionally abusive, there are people in my life that I think are emotionally abusive but someone else might disagree with me… it’s just not as clear as physical or sexual abuse. So it’s not just that people are being dismissive of it, although they might. People tend to also be very dismissive of anything that feels uncomfortable to them, they’ll sweep it under the rug as long as they can.

Humans are violent! 😅 Not really that nice either… I mean there’s nothing nice about picking on the ones that are weaker, and you having some kind of weakness is obviously not your ‘fault’ and certainly not something you asked for. So yeah, humans are pretty disgusting. Or ‘some’ of them are… there’s nice people also.

But keep in mind that there’s an unusual amount of mental illness at the moment, there’s also a lot of trauma (it makes people feel more threatened, less trusting of each other). So if we didn’t have that to deal with I do think that people would at least be ‘nicer’ and get along ‘better’. I think sometimes you need to open up to people and help them understand you better, because they don’t seem to be able to do that on their own. :-/

[–] Josiane@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[–] Josiane@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

My whole country is on fire (Canada)! :D

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