Ice

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[–] Ice@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I do think we agree on the practical implication for jobs - just that laws don't align with that where I'm at. (If you can't/refuse to do the job, you shouldn't be working it)

That’s odd, because one could just say “I can’t change the job description without changing the role I am hiring, and I only need that role.”

It's central to the problem. Individuals from religious groups sue employers (often successfully) citing that not hiring them or firing them for refusing to fulfill the job description would be discrimination. (This is not unique to any one group btw)

you’d prefer to force people to not adhere to their religion

No. What I'm saying is that they should be solely responsible for the consequences of their faith. Other people should not be forced to give them special treatment due to their religion.

I think you’re referring to Muslim practice as delusional

I wasn't. I was creating a hypothetical of somebody non-religous (or at least not an adherent to a major religion) placing greater or equal value on not shaving as a religious person might. The point being that major religions are given preferential treatment as compared to other beliefs and preferences.

So to be clear, yeah, a faith to the Muslim god which forbids shaving is respectable and not delusional.

There are certainly different ways for religious folks to be faithful. However, in the modern day, literal adherence to many modern religions essentially amount to centering your life around a myth. At best, it is a sign of being misguided and ignorant with regard to scientific fact (which is incompatible with those myths) and at worst it amounts to a delusion (yes, I will use that word). Willfully rejecting overwhelming evidence.

Somebody can be respectable in spite of that, but in my book, it is a clear negative.

[–] Ice@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah, obviously.

What's so obvious about it? The initial example here is facetious and absurd, but what's to say that I don't take my "beard honour" just as seriously as someone else does their religion?

Because I've certainly met people who take their religion very lightly, yet absolutely will use it as an excuse for special treatment at every opportunity.

A less absurd example might be somebody with the delusion (a.k.a strongly held personal belief) that their value as a man depends entirely on their beard, that they might as well kill themselves if they were unable to have one. Or someone with a facial scar tied to incredible emotional trauma that they use their beard to cover up.

The simple fact is that special treatment of religious adherents is discriminatory, not against them, but against everyone else. The root of the problem is that laws that were intended to prevent special maltreatment of religious adherents have instead become leveraged as a basis to grant privileges. When they don't get the job after refusing to follow hygiene protocol, shake hands with certain demographic groups or perform job duties, they sue their employer for discrimination. They demand the job, and demand that the job description be changed to fit their personal preferences.

I agree, it should be as simple as "can you do the job or not". If being clean shaven is part of the job description (which I certainly could find good reasons for, such as gas masks or hygiene) and you refuse to be clean shaven, then you're out.

[–] Ice@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

The most at hand explanation I think would be biological differences between the genders. Male puberty is, on average, delayed by approximately 18 months in comparison. Girls/women are earlier in development and mature earlier, boys/men later.

Puberty was pretty much the defining factor back in the day for adulthood vs childhood.

[–] Ice@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Those “special privileges” aren’t a “privilege,” but a duty to one’s faith.

If I were to say I had a "duty" to my own atheist sense of beard honor or whatever, that'd fly out the window. Religion is a preference, a choice. The duty is only to the persons own sense of pride and morality.

We have similar problems with nurses of certain religions in my country, refusing to do their job (for instance related to abortion) and endangering patients citing religion.

Thankfully the regulations have been upheld and these people have been told "If you refuse to do your job, you're fired." in these cases, but there is a religious lobby rapidly growing in influence in my country, and have already secured exceptions from stuff like hygiene rules in healthcare.

A "beard exception" matters little in truth, but allow one such exception and suddenly they're everywhere (I'd argue let people have their beards ffs!). However, this kind of pandering is insane, dangerous and my patience for it is very limited. Religion is their choice, but that is no excuse to impose their will on the rest of society.

[–] Ice@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

Either everybody should be able to have beards, or nobody. Believing in a fairytale should not be tied to special privileges.

[–] Ice@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

Oof, single parenthood is rough. Best wishes and give the 'lil rascals some extra head pats.

[–] Ice@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I mean most of my friends who have their own places live in 1 room studio apartments unless they're living with somebody.

[–] Ice@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 weeks ago

Historic sci-fi is certainly interesting!

[–] Ice@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I do not.

FOSS is the natural conclusion of public code having a negligible cost to supply once it has been produced. Ideally it takes IP out of the equation and allocates compensation towards development rather than rent extraction.

FOSS is a question of centralization & authority vs decentralization & freedom.

[–] Ice@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Definitely has happened but not often. It's a lot easier if there's a common ground to start at though.

[–] Ice@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yep, unfortunately a lot of people haven't experienced what good traffic planning, cooperation & educated drivers can accomplishes on a daily basis in many European countries.

In my experience, the worst and most commonly recurring offenders are phone zombies on e-scooters. Possibly due to being more dangerous than pedestrians and more noticeable than a distracted highway driver.

[–] Ice@lemmy.zip 43 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

Am I the only one even a little happy to see the head of a major company mentioning upgradability as an appeal for customers?

Please do stick with two unsoldered SODIMM slots for your laptops Asus.

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