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You have to understand how Vance views the issue. For him abortion isn't a meet in the middle stance. Abortion to him and folks similar see the matter as only having one possibly correct solution.

Thus for him, "Americans instinctively mistrust us" doesn't mean that his position would evolve, it's that "to him", he's done a "bad job" making your stance evolve.

The hard line Republicans aren't interested in finding common ground, they're more interested in what you will change your opinion to or at the very least what unacceptable positions you'll tolerate. There is never going to be an evolution or common ground to be found with these folks because that's distinctly not the position that they are looking for.

That's vague, but I'll assume you mean funding directly for combat operations excluding VA hospital, vet benefits, DHS appropriations, etc. So that would come to $19.903T over that same period.

But the thing is that also excludes maritime trade protection and I don't believe brown kids sail boats towards shipping channels, but there could be possibilities where that is the case. Also that dollar figure doesn't have anything to do with the event being depicted in the picture. That's Israel's Iron Dome system and costs associated with that would not be reflected in the US military budget. That is funded by general transfer of funds. Good example of such is public law 117-103. Under Division C, Title VIII, Sec. 8142 which is page 209 of that PDF linked there.

So that number doesn't include that and it'd be a lot harder to get that number as the Government doesn't put out a spreadsheet for general transfer of funds. Though they ought to, because that would make tracking all of this a lot easier. It's not impossible to calculate that, the information is all there, it's just spread out and requires a bunch of leg work.

I have answered your question with a question

Things couch fuckers say.

Cycloheptane, the only way I'm getting a boat or a car.

Yes. The low ball estimates for just hurricane Helene is 100% FEMA’s annual funding for the next eleven years. That’s how destructive these disasters are.

We’re still paying for the 2013 Colorado flooding, the 2017 California wildfire, and 2022 Hurricane Ian, just to name a few.

People are completely missing how much climate change is truly costing us. Helene will be something we’re paying for easily for the next twenty years if not longer. $20B is not a lot of cash when compared to these events, not by a long shot.

The disaster hit areas will get funds. It will be rebuilt. But none of that happens overnight. The US has spent $1.79T on disasters since 1980. Hurricane Katrina alone costed about 190 Iron Dome Systems.

I get that there's always more we can do, and trust me I really dislike that a ton of our budget goes towards war and military. But I think people forget how absolutely massive the destruction is in some of these disasters and how much it'll cost to rebuild. I mean the conservative end of cost from Helene is eleven years of 100% of the funds annually allocated toward FEMA. And that's just a single disaster.

We're still spending FEMA money on the 2013 Colorado Flood because these disasters are that destructive, the 2017 California wildfires are still a 15 million a year recovery operation that's still on-going. There's even $15B earmarked for COVID-19 and it'll likely be the late 2020s or early 2030s when we finally see that fall off the FEMA spreadsheet.

I'm not trying to defend the wasteful expenses on military that we do, but things like those missiles in the picture are minuscule to the massive amount of destruction these disasters bring. And I think it's important to highlight that because it hopefully gives people some clue to the true cost of climate change.

I read elsewhere, “these Republicans are feeling surprisingly optimistic about a civil war with people who can checks notes create hurricanes.”

It will likely benefit the State.

Does everyone just forget the aspect where it absolute enriches the guy but just “maybe, likely” benefit anyone else?

SSP is a Title II, DRF is Title III. Those are different things. Money from Title III appropriations HAVE NOT been reallocated into Title II programs. The end.

Ugh. That we need to cover this here.

Alright, so ever since public law 107-296 which is the Homeland Security Act of 2002, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has been under the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). And this move has created a LOT of "well why are they doing that?" moments.

So let's talk about the migrant thing. First let's talk about the program that the migrant thing is found under. The migrant thing is the Shelter and Services Program (SSP) which has two programs under it. SSP-A (which is A = Allocated) which has specific allocations assigned to them. And SSP-C (which is C = Competitive) which local governments, Indian tribes, Puerto Rico, and DC all put in an application towards. There is one SSP-C grant on Aug. 28th of each year and there are two SSP-A in April and August of each year.

SSP-A is mostly migrant stuff which you can find the specific allocations here for the FY'24. You'll note that this allocation is ~$300M, that's because the other SSP-C is allocated ~$340M which comes to ~$650M (it's like $649.3M, I am rounding here).

That funding and the establishment of the SSP altogether comes from Public Law 117-328 the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2023. You can find it under Division F, Title II. It's on page 272 of the PDF but your reader may indicate that it is on page 4730 as this comes from the much larger "Statues At Large" (which I will not get into here).

That $800,000,000 shall be transferred to ‘‘Federal Emergency Management Agency—Federal Assistance’’ to support sheltering and related activities provided by non-Federal entities, including facility improvements and construction, in support of relieving overcrowding in short-term holding facilities of U.S. Customs and Border Protection

So this creates it and public law 118-47 the Further Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2024, establishes $650M. That's under Division C, Title II.

That $650,000,000 shall be transferred to ‘‘Federal Emergency Management Agency—Federal Assistance’’ to support sheltering and related activities provided by non-Federal entities, in support of relieving overcrowding in short-term holding facilities of U.S. Customs and Border Protection

So now we know about the SSP. The SSP is administered (the people who run the thing) by the group that handles the Emergency Food and Shelter Program (EFSP) which I won't get into that program outside of the same people that write checks for the EFSP handle the SSP as well and the EFSP was established by the McKinney–Vento Homeless Assistance Act of 1987, public law 100-77.

Alright, now hurricanes and disasters and what not. All of that comes originally from the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act of 1988 public law 100-707. This is the thing that takes what used to be a general fund and splits it out into a very specific fund known as the Disaster Relief Fund (DRF). If you go back to the Public Law 118-47 that I linked to under Division C, Title III you will see that the DRF is allocated $20.261B.

For necessary expenses in carrying out the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act … $20,261,000,000, to remain available until expended

Now you will note that these are TWO DIFFERENT FUNDS. And because of public law 114-4 FEMA has to publish a report of where the money is going for the DRF every 30 days. Which you can find those reports located here.

So that said. It is important the you all understand. EFSP/SSP is different than DRF. And the funds aren't usually transferred from one to the other. They can be, but Congress has to approve such a move unless the money is a "recovery" which means money was spent but that money came back (maybe a booking error, lawsuit, etc…) There has been no such move from DRF to SSP indicated in the reports nor approved by Congress, so such a move HAS NOT HAPPENED legally, and likely just HAS NOT HAPPENED. People tend to not want to break the law.

This has been one of the dumbest roads that the political conversation has careened down. Especially given how much public information there is out there about this topic.

If only there was some middle ground between hard to eat chocolate and modern day slavery.

I literally had to cite the page number from the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2023 Public Law 117-328 that covered how the $800M that Trump keeps telling everyone FEMA spent on migrants was a completely different fund than the disaster relief fund that FEMA uses for hurricanes. Which the DRF was established originally as it's own fund in the Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act of 1988 Public Law 100-707

It's page 4,730 where that item is located for anyone wondering.

I fucking hate what online interactions have become. I think I've easily read over 200,000 pages of government legislation, federal regulation, and legal proceedings since June because of the lies one orange shit stain keeps telling. I really do hope that the Republicans can move past that fucker, it was a lot easier to talk politics.