NASA announced the mission to retrieve them in December.
If anything, this really speaks volumes about Grandpa in the White House not knowing this already as it a pretty big deal on the news for about a month when we were all bashing Boeing. But some might have missed it under the Boeing assassinating people memes.
But NAH grandpa, we already knew the schedule.
Handed down by U.S. District Judge Loren L. AliKhan for the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. Case is filed before DDC as 1:25-cv-00239 Brief and prayer for relief here. The official order isn't even up yet, this whole thing is moving at light speed. Parties are to file before the Court Feb. 3 no later than 11 am EST.
UPDATE: Here's doc13 from the DDC with the order. I knew they'd get it out tonight, it just takes time to get that physically banged into the system.
ALSO PART OF THE SAME UPDATE: Word is that the NSF Director, Sethuraman Panchanathan, is telling folks to just ignore the Judge. Hmm.... Anyone want to ask any of the Judges on the DDC about contempt charges? But in all fairness likely guy just wants Sauron's gaze off his back. I'm pretty sure EOP staff close to Trump are frothing over the chance to rip NSF into tiny shreds of paper.
Presumptive OMB Director Russ Vought is hot to test out his take on the 1974 Impoundment Control Act, which has been that the law in full is unconstitutional. I figure this is their first step towards getting the law in front of SCOTUS. They are absolutely itching to push on how the current court feels about "power of the purse". And like I said, Vought has kept no secrets. He absolutely believes that Congress can write checks, but the President can pick when to cash them or not, as an intended check on "the relentless spending by Congress."
This guy is literally gunning for some Congressional power. Let's see how well that plays out. For all we know, the cucks in Congress will let Trump's OMB do it.
Yeah this “proposal” violates literally everything about the Constitution.
This is just exile but with more words, which is not allowed under the immunities clause of the US Constitution.
Every person has rights to exercise due process within the several states, exile explicitly removes this.
this means deepseek is based on an openai model?
It doesn't sound like it is. It sounds more like it's hallucinating which DeepSeeks has a really light end fine-tuning. But who knows? While their stuff is Open Source, no one has yet to test it and see if they can reproduce the results DeepSeek got. For all we know this is just a Chinese con or the real deal. But not knowing how you landed into this point of the conversation it comes off as a context aware hallucination.
It knows about openai and it being a LLM but it's mixed up self identity in specific with identity in general. That is it is start to confuse LLMs and ChatGPT as meaning the same thing and then trying to wire back this bad assumption to make sense again.
Again, who really knows at this point? It's too new and it being in China, there's likely no way to verify these people's claims until someone can take what they've published and made a similar LLM.
This is so silly.
Trump: I'm going to put a 100% tariff on your goods if you don't start building them here.
TSMC: Yeah, we're doing just that next year. We're already fabbing them there in the US.
2026 rolls around and the final part of TSMZ in AZ is complete
Trump: I'm such a fucking genius.
And Republicans will eat this shit up.
Copenhagen-hosted DistroWatch says it has tried to appeal against the Community Standards-triggered ban. However, they say that a Facebook representative said that Linux topics would remain on the cybersecurity filter.
Nope, this one isn't ignorance, it's actual malice. They fully intended to start blocking Linux topics.
When you take this and pair it with what Larry Ellison just recently said:
AI will ensure "citizens will be on their best behavior"
There tends to be a pattern forming that I really don't want to draw because I like tinfoil on my head.
Hur, hur, folks will speak about "DeepSeek won't let me talk about June 3rd, 1989"
That's not really the point nor why investors are bailing.
Investors are popping bubbles mostly because they already knew nVidia and the AI craze was overvalued. There just wasn't a hard case for making the short sell.
That's where DeepSeek comes in, not because of what they offer, but because of how they did it. nVidia has posed the market that the ONLY means towards the "bright AI future™" is via their advanced chips. Chips mind you, that China does not have access to.
Well guess who has a pretty advanced model for a country that's not supposed to have the chips to do that? So one of two things is going on AND it plays well to our AI short sellers.
It's one of these two situations and it's THAT, that had investors finally getting that sweet, sweet orgasm of calling bullshit on a market leader. Now the science is still out here. DeepSeek put out a lot of information and open sourced their code on how they went about building their LLM. So, science doing what science does best, there should be some repeatability to what DeepSeek did. And there's plenty of folks around who have the setup to attempt it. So eventually we should see SeepDeek soon enough or whatever.
So if we start seeing SeepDeek, Zuckerbot 5000, and so on. Then it's number two that's likely true, which means nVidia is going to be hurting. Now if we don't see any of that coming out, well then arrows start to point to number one. nVidia isn't hurting too much, but boy oh boy will the vendors not like seeing some of that inventory going to people it shouldn't be going to. If there's one thing American Companies hate, it's competition when there shouldn't be any.
That's the thing with FeepPeaks here. It isn't that your social credit score will hit the hunny pot for dear leader Xi Jinpoobear. It's that someone has successfully given the required red meat to the autist that have been chomping at the bit to short the fuck out of team greenbacks. That's the bigger story here. It's that sly pandering to the retards of WSB to do what they do best in spite of the recent "US superiority for meme coins and Presidential rug pulls."
Now in the end if number two does pull true, it's a game changer for how nVidia was planing to do this "AI will suck your fucking dick if you buy the top shelf silicon". What DeepSeek does isn't a golden goose here, it's still a bit slower than <>, what it does do is get the job done for about the same number of kilowatts coming into your setup.
Put another way, nVidia's top tier card gives you the full service, cups the balls, gentle humming, no teeth, all the way to the base. The "Shit we Sell to the Chinese™", is like the person who spits in their hand once and tries to get the job for the friend done as fast as possible like they were trying to break up asphalt on the Interstate with a jackhammer on cocaine. DeepSeek just showed that you can get the Chinese Bullshit to lick the balls a bit, get some actual stroking in, and use actual lubricant. Still not the full service, but vastly better that the hawk tauh that nVidia was telling folks the bottom tier would get them, which nobody was really liking the idea of.
That's what DeeperPeaks here is putting forward. It isn't a final product, it's a method, a method for others to build on to take on all those vendors out there telling you that their fancy five star Swedish call girl from nVidia powers their advanced fancy you cannot live without AI model. DeepReeks is telling you that the bottom tier is that nerdy girl from all those 90s movies that if you just let her hair down and take off her glasses, well suddenly you've got a hottie. Yeah, she's still awkward as fuck, but not awkward in that way where she gives you a "Roman salute", so you might get your lemonade stand LLM model to actually make you some cash.
That's the thing here, not the lack of squishy Chinese people from the late 1980s. If you want you too can build one using MeekPeeks that tells you everything about tanks and the human body's inability to carry one.
So is the rout based on the idea that the need for training hardware is much smaller than suspected even if the operation cost is the same... or is the stock market just clueless and dumb and they're all running on vibes at all times anyway?
Two parts here.
As for the model.
This model is from China and trained there. They have an embargo on the best chips, they can't get them. So they aren't supposed to have the resources to produce what we're seeing with DeepSeek, and yet, here we are. So either someone has slipped them a shipment that's a big no-no OR we take it at face value here that they've found a way to optimize training.
The neat thing about science is reproducibility. So given the paper DeepSeek wrote and the open source nature of this. Someone should be able to sit down and reproduce this in about two month (ish). If they can, nVidia is going to have a completely terrible time and the US is going to have to rethink the whole AI embargo.
Without deep diving into this model and what it spouts, the skinny is that nVidia has their top tier AI GPUs. It has all these parts cut into the silicon that makes creating a model cost a lot less in kilowatts of power. DeepSeek says they were able to put in some optimizations that gets you a model on low kilowatts by optimizing some of the parts found only in the top tier AI GPUs.
Blah blah example of this DeepSeek used 32 of the 132 streaming multiprocessors on their Hopper GPUs to act as a hardware accelerated communication manager and scheduler. Top tier nVidia cards for big farms do this in their hardware already in a circuit called the DPU. Basically DeepSeek found a way to use their Hopper GPUs to do the same function as nVidia's DPUs.
If true, it means that the hardware nVidia is popping into their top tier isn't strictly required. It's nice, and you'll still get a model on less kilowatts than the tricks DeepSeek is using, but DeepSeek's tricks means the price difference between top tier and low tier needs to be a lot closer than it is to stay competitive. As it stands with DeepSeek's tricks (again, if they prove to be correct) is that if you've got a little extra time, you can get bottom tier AI GPUs and spend about the same kilowatts for what the top tier will kick out with a hint less kilowatts. The difference in cost of kilowatts between the amount you spend on low tier and amount you spend on kilowatts on top tier isn't enough to justify the top tier's price difference from the low tier, if time is not a factor.
And so that brings us full circle here. If someone is able to reproduce DeepSeek's gains, nVidia's top tier GPUs are way over priced and their bottom tier is going to sell out like hotcakes. That's bad for nVidia if they were hoping to, IDK, make ridiculous profit. And that is why the sudden spook in the market. I mean, don't get me wrong, folks have been looking forward to popping nVidia's bubble, so they've absolutely been hyping this whole thing up a lot more. And it didn't help that it came top #1 on the Apple App Store.
So some of this is those people riding the hate nVidia train. But some of it is also, well this is interesting if true. I think it's a little early to start victory laps around nVidia's grave. The optimizations purposed by DeepSeek have yet to be verified as accurate. And things are absolutely going to get interesting no matter the outcome. Because if the purposed optimizations don't actually produce the kind of model DeepSeek has, where did they get it from? How did they cheat? Because then that's an interesting question in of itself, because they aren't supposed to have hardware that would allow them to make this. Which could mean a few top tier cards are leaking into China's hands.
But if it all does prove true, well, he he he, nVidia shorts are going to be eating mighty well.
fell more than 15 percent in midday deals on Wall Street, erasing more than $500 billion of its market value
If I'm reading this correctly, that would mean that NV was previously valued at ~$3.4T??
Yeah, they might be a bit overvalued. Just hint.
Oh look, the folks who said they weren't going to create a theocracy are doing just that. I'm totally surprised.
But it isn’t those idiots dying, so for them, nothing important was lost.
Everyone going to need to make room for these thoughts and prayers.
Wow, nothing says freedom of speech like telling folks to not expect it if they become a citizen. Like typically you put on your best on for guest, but I guess the United States is now at the "get the fuck out" stage of encouraging young engineers to the country.
............Except if you're willing to be subjected to a work visa.
I mean it's honestly telling everyone who we really are here. We don't want you unless you're willing to be a wage slave. I mean President is free to do that, but damn that's really sending a message there.