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Maybe GBV is like a much more specific terminology than I was aware of beforehand but reading through the site and the linked accounts it kind of comes off like "Gender" Based Violence in a rather euphemistic way.

Also the only structure that seems to be explicitly targeted and mentioned is the Canadian Military covering up sexual violence.

It does sound like just from this overview that theres kind of a blind spot in regards to black and indigenous men being targeted for police violence, in general actually looking at the linked teachers toolkit there doesnt seem to be ANY material relating to police and state violence?

That seems particularly concerning when the article critiques the old framing of gender based violence as a matter of individual responsibility, and instead talks about analysing structural violence in terms of like housing market or healthcare, but seems to sort of just not particularly focus on the most directly violent power structures in society?

Theres several downloadable bits of material for human trafficking by comparison, which is of course good but its a noticeable gap in focus.

Someone needs to fucking go around to all these psychiatrists and slap them with a "keep it simple, stupid."

Its a very simple thing, if you're a hostage stuck in one place, you're a citizen of this fucking bank vault or this cellar or whatever, not a citizen of Sweden who is concerned about matters of criminality and economy. And when you're stuck in there, the people holding you hostage, however polite or impolite they might be, are offering to get you out of there in exchange for concessions, their goal results in you being let go.

Very simple from that point of view, so then if the state is like, alright we'll take that deal, you're gonna be pretty happy with them for arranging that without much fuss, if instead they tell you that you have a duty to die for your country, and that they will not take the deal but instead start a firefight or start bombing the whole place, you're not gonna be very happy, because your life has been calculated and valued below the priority of punishing criminality and ensuring the bank doesnt get robbed.

You're gonna be pretty fucking unhappy with that situation, and the longer it goes on and the more your captors are trying to arrange a deal, and particularly if they are being polite and relatively considerate about the whole thing, you're gonna be more concerned with who is resolving the situation rather than who is responsible for it in the first place, because time is fucking linear and the past cant be changed but the future can, simple concept.

Found a new absolute peak example of calvinball psychology.

"Torture is considered ineffective because the victims will invent completely imagined information to appease their torturers, this proves Stockholm Syndrome is real."

Complete nonsense, how fucking long until I have to see some moron say that following laws to avoid punishment by the justice system is fucking evidence of Stockholm Syndrome, christ. Talking to the police is Stockholm Syndrome, paying your bills is Stockholm Syndrome, returning someones wallet is fucking Stockholm Syndrome like what the fuck.

I think my new years resolution is gonna have to be to get my spending habits in check, Ive sorta just coasted on running even and occasionally taking a bit out of savings but thats not gonna last forever, at some point I gotta put shit back into savings.

Xi please let me hop over the great firewall.

I think that Stockholm Syndrome really is just taking one overarching and surface level "symptom" of a captive or subjugated person having "sympathy" for the one holding them captive or subservient, and just ascribing one monolithic brain prank to the whole thing when theres actually rather direct material reasons why it might happen in each individual case.

With hostage taking theres obviously the matter of the police/military threatening the hostages by not negotiating and instead using lethal force, with intimate partner abuse the person being abused often has no other way to provide for the basics of existence and has to rely on their abuser, who they presumably at one point did love and is now stuck with, thats more complicated than a short term hostage taking but the reasons largely dont particularly overlap.

Or like looking at cults which is another occurence of this, where you now actually have a communal occurence of abuse and often a complete ideological and cultural isolation from the outside world, this again is very complex and the overlap isnt that huge with the other cases. To suggest that all of this is fundamentally the same brain prank seems reductive at best and IMO it just comes off like people are holding on to an "established" conclusion and refusing to let it go.

It would be a serious stroke of luck for an obvious police discrediting campaign against a woman they endangered and left to die to actually have by happenstance revealed a fundamental cornerstone of psychology that actually is extremely valid and useful for every situation except the one it was invented for, that being short term hostage situations.

Insane to me to see people just play calvinball with their own made up bullshit.

"Oh Stockholm Syndrome isnt real? Actually its plainly obvious in thousands of abused women" like NO that is not what the fucking syndrome is about in the slightest what are you talking about? Stockholm Syndrome is when someone is hostile to you but you like them anyways?

And then also the fucking shit with like "Oh its not real? Then why does the FBI say it happens in 8% of kidnapping victims?" and its like, because there are made up criteria that claim to be the result of some actual hyperspecific situation in the brain, and sooner or later someone will correspond to those criteria but that doesnt validate the hypothesis behind it!

The sun actually setting doesnt validate the hypothesis that theres a guy pulling the sun on a chain to do it!

Modern Animal Farm spoof where farmer whatever(not googling to find out) confronts the animals and says they can either choose to be milk cattle with him or be treated like meat cattle by the next farmer that comes around.

I really dont think that you need to have someone who is Jewish make that verdict, its simply and obviously soft holocaust denial, if not even broader than that, but I dont know that we have a good term for "soft nazi denial."

Literally Olof Palme called the specific hostage who they invented Stockholm Syndrome for later on and told her that it was her duty as a bank teller to die at her post because the Swedish government categorically refused to negotiate.

Also basically every single quote from her that gets cited as Stockholm Syndrome is like, "The police shot at the robbers so they shot back, please stop shooting at the robbers for no reason", "If the cops storm the place and start a gunfight then we're all gonna end up dead, please dont storm the bank and just negotiate instead" and finally "The robbers are scared that if we the hostages all leave first, the cops are gonna go in and shoot them then claim self defense, please let the robbers leave first so all this can be over."

Idk if it would, libertarians can think local governments are big government anyways and just a sneaky tool for little authoritarians to impose their will on their neighbors like ensuring that the water doesnt get poisoned.