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So you don't see the discrimination against non white people as a problem then?

The study is evidence that there is a systemic disadvantage for non whites when hiring.

Why should this not be the case at NASA? What makes NASA so special that findings, that showed true on a systemic level across six countries don't apply to it?

If you are interested, NASA did an audit on their progress on including DEIA in 2023.

https://oig.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/IG-23-011.pdf

Despite support from Agency leaders and multiple initiatives to increase diversity, we found NASA has made little progress in increasing the representation of women and minorities in its civilian workforce or leadership ranks. Specifically, over the past decade NASA’s overall workforce demographics have stayed roughly the same, with small increases (1 or 2 percent) for some groups. Demographics have not varied significantly over the same time period at individual NASA Centers, with only two Centers increasing African American representation and other Centers making small gains in Hispanic, Asian American, and women’s representation. We also found NASA has made few gains in the percentages of women and racial and ethnic minorities in its senior levels (General Schedule 14 and 15 positions and NASA’s Efforts to Increase Diversity in Its Workforce RESULTS IN BRIEF Senior Executive Service) over the decade. At the same time, the proportion of veterans NASA hires has declined over the past 10 years, most significantly from 28 percent in 2015 to 13 percent in 2021

I'm glad you asked. Racial discrimination when hiring is a problem and can be observed easily.

For example this meta study, that looked at many experimental studies in 6 different western counties, shows how racial discrimination is a problem when hiring. This has been demonstrated in experimental research by sending two resumes to different workplaces. They show the same level of qualification, but one of them is from a white on one from a person that is not. You do this a lot, like 200 times with 200 employers and see how often both candidates are invited.

And consistently you can see that white people are invites, while racial divergent people are not.

From the meta study this reads like this:

Persistent discrimination in labor markets in North America and Europe has been demonstrated most clearly by field experiments in which investigators use testers or submit applications by mail or over the internet for jobs with clues indicating the race or ethnicity of applicants (5–7). These experiments show that on average in Western countries native Whites receive about 50% more callbacks than similarly qualified non-White applicants (5).*  This does not include significant additional discrimination that occurs after the callback (8).

Imagine beeing this fragile.

I'll spell it out for you honey. As long as we don't offer the same privileges white people have to all people, we need a qutoa to level the playing field.

I know that doesn't fit your ideology. Doesn't change how it's true tough.

Honestly no idea, haven't been on reddit since... Well, since I took the screenshot, but like activly not for a while now.

You forgot to include the rest his comment. And the 2.3k most up voted answer right beneath.

Yay for bringing up Mander :-)

Bit funny how like two thirds of our conversation happened in your head. What ever. Have a nice one too.

How does that apply here? Maybe I am misunderstanding.

My point is this: I don't think will hinder progress if we are told how bad the situation might be.

And yes, might be, not is. I understsnd perfektly well that the abundance of variables makes it difficult to state absolutes. Such is the way with science.

I also acknowledge that there are different predictions amongst the scientific community in regards to how bad it might get. Hansen is making a prediction towards the more pessimistic end. Others try to be overly optimistic.

My point is that I don't think that the ovedy optimistic view is sensible. I understand the value of trying to remain positive and solution orientated, as only on the inevitable doom will lead to lethargy. I suppose we agree on that?

But I also think such a positive approach should be guided by reality. And the reality is defenetly not pointing towards a hopeful future. Hence we have to fight harder. Hence we have to look at the big picture while doing as much as possible within the boundaries of a system that is activly fostering climate change. Grounded on the knowledge of a possible collapse on a global scale within the next 20 to 200 years. We shouldn't disregard that possibility, even if it is not the only possible outcome. It motivates me more than it drives me into giving up already.

And beeing told lies by people refusing to engage with the reality of how bad climate change is set to be is a good tactic, yes?

I can think they are his minions who are helping him carry out a coup and still condem death threat against them. Why does everything have to be black and white these days?

Anyhow, you are not obligated to answer me. I'll read into it or won't, untill then I just won't have any opinion on this matter.

Edit: And you can be somebody's minion (as in tool used to aquire your goals) and still be a human. I don't see that as mutually exclusive.