Gloomy

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[โ€“] Gloomy@mander.xyz 0 points 1 week ago

Ah, the german approach (used mainly between 1934 and 1945) ๐Ÿ˜‰

[โ€“] Gloomy@mander.xyz 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Violent pornography was weakly correlated with sexual aggression, although the current evidence was unable to distinguish between a selection effect as compared to a socialization effect.

If anything, this points towards the opposite conclusion. And that is with zero nitpicking.

[โ€“] Gloomy@mander.xyz 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Meanwhile the population study seems to suggest porn usage reduces sexual aggression, or is at least correlated with it.

The last sentence of the abstract (More studies with improved practices and preregistration would be welcome.) seems to be adressing this. In the study itself they say:

A third group of studies considers relationships between pornography consumption and sexual violence at the population level (e.g., Diamond et al., 2011; Gentry, 1991). In such studies, changes in the population rate of sexual crimes are associated with changes in the availability of pornography, often due to changes in the law. Cross-nationally, most (though not all) such studies suggest that pornography consumption is correlated with reductions in sexual violence. However, such data are correlational in nature, and third variables at the societal level may also be responsible for these patterns.

You said, at the start of our dialog, that:

Regardless, there are tons of studies showing that consuming this kind of porn actually helps prevent people from acting on these fantasies

"This kind" refers to violent porn, i suppose? Because the study states that:

Our meta-analytic results reveal no relationship between exposure to nonviolent pornography and sexual aggression.

So they are not talking about "this kind" of porn.

[โ€“] Gloomy@mander.xyz 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

More studies with improved practices and preregistration would be welcome.

Next sentence

Also:

Whether pornography contributes to sexual aggression in real life has been the subject of dozens of studies over multiple decades. Nevertheless, scholars have not come to a consensus about whether effects are real.

Also also this study has nothing to do with your claim. Its not about porn preventing violent behaviour, it's about whether porn causes it or not.

[โ€“] Gloomy@mander.xyz 0 points 1 week ago (9 children)

there are tons of studies

Show me a meta study that supports this claim, please. Not a single study, but something that looks at those alleged thousands of studies and comes to the conclusion you are implying here.

[โ€“] Gloomy@mander.xyz -1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That logic falls apart real fast. Hitting children, for example. Legal, but is it right?

Some places have legal laws that are horrifying. You can see the other implementation of your logic there. Like, is being gay a bad thing, as long as it is illegal?

[โ€“] Gloomy@mander.xyz 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thank you. It can be challenging as a lay person to filter out the clickbait aspects of these articles.

[โ€“] Gloomy@mander.xyz -1 points 1 week ago

I see where you are coming from. I still think that it is a net positive that they got rid of those games. I quoted the description of one game above. That aint no art. That is just the glorification of rape. And i'm glad it's gone. Glad it's gone everywhere in fact, not just in Australia.

Are these good people? Rather not. I still have to see them campaign against queer or trans folk, but seeing their connections that is a valid fear to have.

I will fight for diversity, in any form, beeing part of gaming culture. But i won't cry a single tear about games that have a glorification of rape and incest as their main topic.

[โ€“] Gloomy@mander.xyz 0 points 1 week ago

And again, a stawman.

We are talking about rape porn (games) normalizing sexual violence.

This article is not talking about rape porn. By the way, it is an article from 2016 who uses studies from 2011 and younger. Here is a Meta analysis of the timeframe, suggesting that many stdies suffert from a metholodical weekness.

The question, if violent porn causes sexual violence is debated, but as of now simply not enoth good studys exist to confirm or denie such a link.

This study, for example, hints towards it. It is also a good example for methodological muddiness though:

Data was collected from 247 college men who completed self-report surveys at baseline, 4-month, and 7-month intervals. Higher gender inequitable attitudes, greater problems with alcohol use, and lower levels of responsibility assigned to men for rape mediated the relation between exposure to violent pornography at baseline and endorsement of sexually coercive behavior at the 7-month. Findings highlight the need to address pornography literacy in sexual assault prevention programs for college men.

I can only repeat: there is evidence towards violent porn causing violent behauvior, but it is weak and more studys are needed. Untilh then both of our standpoints are just opinions. Either of us might be right. Personaly, i wouldn't risk it.

[โ€“] Gloomy@mander.xyz 2 points 1 week ago

You are entitled to that opinion, but it is in defiance to what science says about the topic.

[โ€“] Gloomy@mander.xyz -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Downthread there are some people arguing pro rape and incest games.

I am not defending the group. When (likely not even if) they go against LGBTQI+ games i will happily speak up against that. But in this case they are not wrong, and i am okay with pointing that out. Look at the level of hate in this thread. For banning incest and rape games...

When they move to anti trans stuff and we give them flak, they will rightfully say "Oh, it's those gamers again. Last time they defended rape games. No need to listen to them."

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