GivingEuropeASpook

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[–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

Yes, but the liberal pro-EU protestors got sidelined by literal neo-Nazis. The following President was basically handpicked by the US Ambassador. There's plenty of western media from 2015-2021 about the integration of Azov into the Ukrainian military structure, the rehabilitation of World War II collaborators, and the suppression of the Russian language. The people of the East are, in principle, just as entitled to wish to join Russia as western Ukraine is to join the EU.

[–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Until Democratic centrists sacrifice trans people to pass various "must pass" bills after House GOP reps put poison-pill regulations into them and try to make a new Hyde Amendment, prohibiting Federal support for gender-affirming care and opening the door to outright legal discrimination federally.

And that's assuming they don't lose the Senate/Presidency.

[–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago (4 children)
[–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

It's also still something that might need to be litigated in courts, which in and of itself is also a danger for people who can't afford it.

And if I recall, the Nuland picks were voted out first chance the Ukrainian people got.

Agreed, but I think it's also important to specify that the coup refers to how the US Ambassador basically hand-picked the provisional government that ended up in power immediately after, and not the protests that started after the initial announcement that the EU deal was off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL4eNy4FCs8

I like this video for this very reason. It unequivocally states that NATO's eastward expansion provoked the Ukrainian invasion without regurgitating Kremlin talking points.

[–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I mean, has NATO ever tried any of it's strategies on it's peers? Can we say they don't work if they haven't?

[–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Meanwhile, I'm just here thinking "Wait, people think it's not happening quickly?"

I mean, I haven't looked at any maps in a hot minute, but each time I check, it seems Ukraine controls more territory? People get that it's a real war right? "Quick" is relative.

IDK, because they only expressed emotions and opinions, and didn't say anything that necessarily contradicts the narrative of the war's purpose, only that it's not as gloriously one-sided as Western Media portrays, which doesn't strike me as all that shocking of a take from someone living in a war zone.

Wasn't that guy voted out as soon as there were formal elections though?

[–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It would be great if Euromaiden was an actual popular revolution that turned control over to the people, but any legitimate popular energy was hijacked by western-backed right wing forces.

Nevertheless, that still means there are millions of Ukrainians who would prefer association with the EU over Russia. I think a lot of people take issue with the framing of it all as an artificial coup without popular support because that implies there's no one in Ukraine who wanted (however misplaced we might find it) to be in the EU and aligned with the US?

[–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago

hahahahaah good

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