GarbageShootAlt2

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[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago (15 children)

What do you suppose is allowing the remaining threads to hold on?

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago

Appropriately apocalyptic for the liberal view on these elections, but the problem, also appropriate for the liberal view on these elections, is that you are taking the Other to be a complete dipshit.

If you're in a situation that isn't the literal end of the world, bluffing has a serious danger associated with it because it informs all circumstances subsequent to the bluff if it gets called. From that point on, people know that your threats are not to be taken seriously, and you have robbed yourself of whatever power you had. You become a "boy who cried wolf" with respect to the actions you will take.

Furthermore, this time in all situations, it's somewhere between difficult and impossible to stake such a widespread plan of action on everyone at all times maintaining a lie. How do you agitate for such a thing? You can't speak of it in the open. How do you vet candidates? Someone might be an asset (and liberals usually believe spaces both online and offline are crawling with assets for other states) or even just someone who thinks you plan is bullshit and will decide to talk about it afterwards. Basically, your plan works in the same realm of imagination where wars would stop if all of the soldiers on both sides just laid down their arms. That is to say, if you could just cast a spell and make people act that way, sure, but that's not how politics works.

Lastly, it's important to remember we are talking about threats, so "If we have nukes, we should just use them!" is a complete non sequitur. That's not a threat, that's just an attack. Incidentally, while there is a good argument to be made that if you get nuked, you should just take the L if you think your barrage might tip the scales into the world ending, such an idea definitionally does not work as the dominant ideology because at that point MAD does not protect your country anymore and there's really no point in you having nukes when you're just surrendering to death anyway. If you're an individual operator of a nuclear silo or something and you refuse to participate in ending the world, good for you, but again that's something that you can't organize with because it's a conspiracy of a similar style to what I outlined before, so you aren't going to succeed in helping very much unless you're on the vanguard and it might be a false positive that an enemy nuke was launched at all (this happened at least once with the USSR, during the Cuban Missile Crisis). In that extremely specific situation where mass action is impossible and only a tiny fraction of a fraction of the population ever gets close to being in the conditions where such an incident has even a slim possibility of occuring: Yes, there it works well.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

A threat that you refuse to make good on is the same as doing nothing. I have no interest in telling someone who to vote for, but your proposed strategy is ridiculous.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Words can have different colloquial meanings. There is a really crass meaning of liberal that would identify Marx as a liberal, yes, and this is the most popular one in America, but there's another colloquial meaning (more popular in other anglophone countries, but gaining traction in America) where liberals are basically centrists (in capitalist societies) who might pretend to be progressive but are ultimately moderates to their bones. This came from the proclivities of "Liberal" parties, along with centrists understandably claiming the name of whatever the ruling ideology is, and here it is of course liberalism.

Among leftist circles, "liberal" is sort of an unmarked term for the moderate definition and the Lockean definition both, like how "guys" can refer to both a group of males and a group of mixed gender, despite "gals" only referring specifically to a group of females (I'm using those terms because they apply to children also, not just men/women).

So the comment is saying, in translation: "Democrat aligned people will still blame socialists (etc.) like their Democrat ideological cult wants them to." Does that make sense?

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

Is it a statement on how pets are animals turned into agency-less commodities, just like meat?

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

You're so desperate to score points that you're now acting like I'm a fan of Zizek who wants him to lead the revolution (?) when I explicitly said that I hate him. The whole thing is just a screed of nonsense to compensate for the fact that you blatantly got Marx wrong. I wasn't bringing up dialectics to flex, I brought it up because your mistake was so basic that it was necessary to start there (and I just enjoy talking about Marxism, admittedly).

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago

That's true, they are (and I guess I am, by extension) using it in a narrower sense than is represented in Locke, who encompasses both the red and blue team, but the Lockean sense would still distinguish between liberals and modern leftism.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I was directly quoting you and anyone can see the quoted section by going like three up this comment chain, what are you on about?

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago

Is it really that hard to imagine that someone who loves you was hoping to see you happy instead of as a moldering corpse?

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This has to be bait. You can't possibly think people think that way, right? .ml people disagree with NATO-sphere liberals about a lot of things to do with Russia, but that's not the same as being mindless Russian chauvinists.

Like, do you really think whatever meetings she had with Putin or whatever it is you blue rags gossip about would be a bigger factor than her opposing the genocide in Gaza, to say nothing of having better climate policies, better immigration policies, and so on?

"But she won't win"

Obviously, but her shaking Putin's hand won't change that. His apparent trick of buying a miniscule number of highly-targeted Facebook ads isn't gonna do much for her, so we need to accept that assumption either way.

I'm voting for PSL, not Greens, btw.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago

Not as many people hate Harris specifically as hated Hillary, but a lot of people (for good and bad reasons) hate the Dems and also Kamala to some extent.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I think it's funny that someone with "Locke" in their name would seemingly not distinguish between liberals and leftists.

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