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There are a lot of conservatives here thanks to Reddit. Tankie hysteria allows them to speak in parallel to the radlibs and anarcho-bidenists without too much dispute, so they have blended in. Funny how that works.

Says "World's largest democracy" but it's not about the PRC? India, unlike China, actually has something resembling pogroms against Muslims.

Secondly, you’re making a false equivalence. Appreciating that Americans are not dying while removing a real threat does not mean that you do not appreciate and value the Ukrainians who are making sacrifices.

100% bullshit. From a humanitarian perspective, one in which there is no difference in value between an American life and a Ukrainian life, the fact that no Americans died because the meat grinder is in Ukraine and killing almost-exclusively slavs is a ridiculous thing to tout. It's not an accomplishment to not lose your own people when it's a proxy war, you're just sending a different population to be slaughtered!

Can you even imagine -- in a world where China was actually backing Russia -- China boasting about doing immense economic damage to NATO without sacrificing any Chinese? That would be a fucked up way to evaluate it compared to considering the human cost apart from national lines, even just on "your own side."

This shit is why predditors love to say "I don't like Hitler, but at least he didn't kill his own people" (ignoring that he did just like we're ignoring Americans actually have been killed in Ukraine). Ultimately, the chauvinism is as bad as it ever was, it's just dressed up with more false "we see you, we hear you" pretenses about the people being killed.

"effortlessly eradicating"

Look, even if you're optimistic about how Ukraine has been doing or the damage it has done to Russia (and it has done damage, certainly), saying that it has "effortlessly eradicated" Russia's military capabilities is absurd

"without even risking American lives"

This, however, is a good encapsulation of the non-MIC-grift side of the government's strategy. Ukrainian lives are virtually worthless to them, so they may as well throw them into the meat grinder no matter how low the net gain because any damage to their geopolitical opponents is worth it.

The more-informed people who support this are some combination of cynical monsters who view dead Americans as a liability and sick chauvinists who think only Americans really count as human (unless there's some outrage fodder to be made of others). It's alarming to see this calculus proudly touted by someone who presumably doesn't identify by either of those labels.

Hah, downvoting an AP article. I guess they're in Putin's pocket too now! It's a good thing only Republicans cry "fake news" at everything that threatens them.

Neoliberals and saying "there is no alternative", name a more iconic duo

I'm an ML too, they aren't rare here, but extended dialogue between liberals and MLs is rare from what I've seen (though not totally unheard of). Usually the liberals are either very avoidant or combative (and sometimes the MLs get pretty combative too, tbf), which prevents there being any kind of understanding. between speakers.

Slightly contra- the other user that responded to you, I need to ask: You've spoken with rightwingers before, right? Most westerners have had the "privilege" at least a few times to allow such people to speak for themselves. Have you ever had an even slightly comparable interaction with a "tankie" where they also got to speak for themselves, rather than be told about what they believe third-hand?

though I will admit to some sympathy on some aspects (not the genocide stuff)

I mean, no one is supporting a genocide or speaking in favor of one, and the US has a documented history of using atrocity propaganda that is completely without basis. Probably the most powerful thing about that particular genre of slander is that it is taboo to denounce it for fear of looking like a "denialist" in the manner of a Holocaust denier, allowing the west to cynically exploit the generational trauma of a genocide it subsidized in order to degrade the reputations of its opponents on the imperial periphery.

The communities trying to pillarize the entire fediverse over calling lemmygrad hate speech are, however, not a great thing. Undermining the interconnectedness of the platform at scale by agitating on other platforms that they blacklist or be blacklisted under false pretenses may as well be precision-engineered to negate what is useful about the platform.

Culturally it trends towards the Democratic Party style of talking a big game about progressivism and then being functionally conservative, but the admins are borderline Thatcherite in their rhetoric.

https://beehaw.org/post/524300

The very first sentence: "Beehaw is a community of individuals and therefore does not have any specific political affiliation."

After acknowledging the first part I said, it continues:

"What we stand for and the space that we’re trying to make is compatible with many forms of politics. Unfortunately some political groups build themselves around and choose to elevate or tolerate hate speech. These are the only political groups that we are incompatible with."

"Some of the instances that we have chosen to defederate with have explicit political stances and ideologies. Their political stance and ideology had nothing to do with the choice to defederate. The choice to defederate was based on the amount of hate speech present on the instance and/or explicitly endorsing it. "

Also, goddam is the post longwinded for a simple lie.

You'd be better off without them, they (the runners of the instance, not the userbase) are a bunch of absolutely cowardly little liars. They were more than happy to accept the massive boon this instance gave them and at the same time agitate and concern troll here to try to drive a wedge in the userbase. I find that shit deeply irritating, especially since they claim to be apolitical and merely blocking instances for "hate speech" which (aside from being a political concept) was seemingly the false pretext they have for also blocking hexbear.net, which is currently forked but is the only instance with substantial usership to mandate pronouns and has much more aggressive anti-racist moderation.

If you simper enough, I'm sure they'll be happy to have you back since they seem the type to feel they are never receiving enough sycophantic flattery, but that's a bad trade for you.