FrostyTrichs

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cross-posted from: https://walledgarden.xyz/post/2295733

Hello again All,

I’d like to get everyone up to speed on what’s been going on with walledgarden.xyz and where it’s going in the near future. I’ll keep this as brief as I can but there’s a lot to cover. TLDR at the bottom.

First and most important- As of March 1st 2025 WG will effectively shut down. Local communities will be locked but the instance will stay open for at least all of March so that local users have time to migrate their accounts.


  • Why? What does this mean? WG was initially set up as a private instance to learn about and experiment with Lemmy. With that mindset a lot of things were tested on the live instance before we started hosting communities and users. A new instance or test environment should've been put in place back then, but it wasn't. That's on me and I apologize. Many of these things are difficult or impossible to reverse while the instance is available to the public and are causing stability problems for the users and communities we host. This isn't the experience we want to offer. The difficult decision was made to shutter this instance and start fresh on a new one. We decided that it would be better to offer people a new alternative that doesn't suffer from the same problems we have on WG before the communities or user numbers grow any larger. WG will eventually become the test environment for the new instance.

  • What happens to the users and communities you host? The local users are who will suffer the most from this and for that I am genuinely sorry. Local users will have until at least the end of March to migrate before any kind of reset is done. This should offer plenty of time to get your new accounts setup. If anyone is having trouble shoot me a DM and I'll do whatever I can to help out. Our current users are welcome to join us on the new instance- https://crazypeople.online/. The last few days have been spent launching and populating that instance with new versions of the communities you’re used to seeing around WG. Here’s a list of our local communities and their new homes:

I encourage those of you who previously participated in our communities to join us again at our new home.


One final thing to note is that crazypeople.online will not be federated with lemmy.world until after they complete their upgrade. That could be any day now unless they push the date back. The older version of Lemmy they run can cause problems for smaller instances that I’d like to avoid on the new one. This decision isn’t meant to be political or controversial and is based strictly on performance goals.


TLDR


  • WG is becoming a test instance.
  • Users have until at least March 31st 2025 to migrate.
  • Replacements for our communities have already been set up at https://crazypeople.online/.
  • crazypeople.online will be our public facing instance going forward, open to old WG members and anyone else who needs a place to call home.
  • crazypeople.online won’t be federated with lemmy.world until their planned update.
  • Don’t test in production.
 

cross-posted from: https://walledgarden.xyz/post/2295733

Hello again All,

I’d like to get everyone up to speed on what’s been going on with walledgarden.xyz and where it’s going in the near future. I’ll keep this as brief as I can but there’s a lot to cover. TLDR at the bottom.

First and most important- As of March 1st 2025 WG will effectively shut down. Local communities will be locked but the instance will stay open for at least all of March so that local users have time to migrate their accounts.


  • Why? What does this mean? WG was initially set up as a private instance to learn about and experiment with Lemmy. With that mindset a lot of things were tested on the live instance before we started hosting communities and users. A new instance or test environment should've been put in place back then, but it wasn't. That's on me and I apologize. Many of these things are difficult or impossible to reverse while the instance is available to the public and are causing stability problems for the users and communities we host. This isn't the experience we want to offer. The difficult decision was made to shutter this instance and start fresh on a new one. We decided that it would be better to offer people a new alternative that doesn't suffer from the same problems we have on WG before the communities or user numbers grow any larger. WG will eventually become the test environment for the new instance.

  • What happens to the users and communities you host? The local users are who will suffer the most from this and for that I am genuinely sorry. Local users will have until at least the end of March to migrate before any kind of reset is done. This should offer plenty of time to get your new accounts setup. If anyone is having trouble shoot me a DM and I'll do whatever I can to help out. Our current users are welcome to join us on the new instance- https://crazypeople.online/. The last few days have been spent launching and populating that instance with new versions of the communities you’re used to seeing around WG. Here’s a list of our local communities and their new homes:

I encourage those of you who previously participated in our communities to join us again at our new home.


One final thing to note is that crazypeople.online will not be federated with lemmy.world until after they complete their upgrade. That could be any day now unless they push the date back. The older version of Lemmy they run can cause problems for smaller instances that I’d like to avoid on the new one. This decision isn’t meant to be political or controversial and is based strictly on performance goals.


TLDR


  • WG is becoming a test instance.
  • Users have until at least March 31st 2025 to migrate.
  • Replacements for our communities have already been set up at https://crazypeople.online/.
  • crazypeople.online will be our public facing instance going forward, open to old WG members and anyone else who needs a place to call home.
  • crazypeople.online won’t be federated with lemmy.world until their planned update.
  • Don’t test in production.
 

cross-posted from: https://walledgarden.xyz/post/2295733

Hello again All,

I’d like to get everyone up to speed on what’s been going on with walledgarden.xyz and where it’s going in the near future. I’ll keep this as brief as I can but there’s a lot to cover. TLDR at the bottom.

First and most important- As of March 1st 2025 WG will effectively shut down. Local communities will be locked but the instance will stay open for at least all of March so that local users have time to migrate their accounts.


  • Why? What does this mean? WG was initially set up as a private instance to learn about and experiment with Lemmy. With that mindset a lot of things were tested on the live instance before we started hosting communities and users. A new instance or test environment should've been put in place back then, but it wasn't. That's on me and I apologize. Many of these things are difficult or impossible to reverse while the instance is available to the public and are causing stability problems for the users and communities we host. This isn't the experience we want to offer. The difficult decision was made to shutter this instance and start fresh on a new one. We decided that it would be better to offer people a new alternative that doesn't suffer from the same problems we have on WG before the communities or user numbers grow any larger. WG will eventually become the test environment for the new instance.

  • What happens to the users and communities you host? The local users are who will suffer the most from this and for that I am genuinely sorry. Local users will have until at least the end of March to migrate before any kind of reset is done. This should offer plenty of time to get your new accounts setup. If anyone is having trouble shoot me a DM and I'll do whatever I can to help out. Our current users are welcome to join us on the new instance- https://crazypeople.online/. The last few days have been spent launching and populating that instance with new versions of the communities you’re used to seeing around WG. Here’s a list of our local communities and their new homes:

I encourage those of you who previously participated in our communities to join us again at our new home.


One final thing to note is that crazypeople.online will not be federated with lemmy.world until after they complete their upgrade. That could be any day now unless they push the date back. The older version of Lemmy they run can cause problems for smaller instances that I’d like to avoid on the new one. This decision isn’t meant to be political or controversial and is based strictly on performance goals.


TLDR


  • WG is becoming a test instance.
  • Users have until at least March 31st 2025 to migrate.
  • Replacements for our communities have already been set up at https://crazypeople.online/.
  • crazypeople.online will be our public facing instance going forward, open to old WG members and anyone else who needs a place to call home.
  • crazypeople.online won’t be federated with lemmy.world until their planned update.
  • Don’t test in production.
 

cross-posted from: https://walledgarden.xyz/post/2295733

Hello again All,

I’d like to get everyone up to speed on what’s been going on with walledgarden.xyz and where it’s going in the near future. I’ll keep this as brief as I can but there’s a lot to cover. TLDR at the bottom.

First and most important- As of March 1st 2025 WG will effectively shut down. Local communities will be locked but the instance will stay open for at least all of March so that local users have time to migrate their accounts.


  • Why? What does this mean? WG was initially set up as a private instance to learn about and experiment with Lemmy. With that mindset a lot of things were tested on the live instance before we started hosting communities and users. A new instance or test environment should've been put in place back then, but it wasn't. That's on me and I apologize. Many of these things are difficult or impossible to reverse while the instance is available to the public and are causing stability problems for the users and communities we host. This isn't the experience we want to offer. The difficult decision was made to shutter this instance and start fresh on a new one. We decided that it would be better to offer people a new alternative that doesn't suffer from the same problems we have on WG before the communities or user numbers grow any larger. WG will eventually become the test environment for the new instance.

  • What happens to the users and communities you host? The local users are who will suffer the most from this and for that I am genuinely sorry. Local users will have until at least the end of March to migrate before any kind of reset is done. This should offer plenty of time to get your new accounts setup. If anyone is having trouble shoot me a DM and I'll do whatever I can to help out. Our current users are welcome to join us on the new instance- https://crazypeople.online/. The last few days have been spent launching and populating that instance with new versions of the communities you’re used to seeing around WG. Here’s a list of our local communities and their new homes:

I encourage those of you who previously participated in our communities to join us again at our new home.


One final thing to note is that crazypeople.online will not be federated with lemmy.world until after they complete their upgrade. That could be any day now unless they push the date back. The older version of Lemmy they run can cause problems for smaller instances that I’d like to avoid on the new one. This decision isn’t meant to be political or controversial and is based strictly on performance goals.


TLDR


  • WG is becoming a test instance.
  • Users have until at least March 31st 2025 to migrate.
  • Replacements for our communities have already been set up at https://crazypeople.online/.
  • crazypeople.online will be our public facing instance going forward, open to old WG members and anyone else who needs a place to call home.
  • crazypeople.online won’t be federated with lemmy.world until their planned update.
  • Don’t test in production.
 

cross-posted from: https://walledgarden.xyz/post/2295733

Hello again All,

I’d like to get everyone up to speed on what’s been going on with walledgarden.xyz and where it’s going in the near future. I’ll keep this as brief as I can but there’s a lot to cover. TLDR at the bottom.

First and most important- As of March 1st 2025 WG will effectively shut down. Local communities will be locked but the instance will stay open for at least all of March so that local users have time to migrate their accounts.


  • Why? What does this mean? WG was initially set up as a private instance to learn about and experiment with Lemmy. With that mindset a lot of things were tested on the live instance before we started hosting communities and users. A new instance or test environment should've been put in place back then, but it wasn't. That's on me and I apologize. Many of these things are difficult or impossible to reverse while the instance is available to the public and are causing stability problems for the users and communities we host. This isn't the experience we want to offer. The difficult decision was made to shutter this instance and start fresh on a new one. We decided that it would be better to offer people a new alternative that doesn't suffer from the same problems we have on WG before the communities or user numbers grow any larger. WG will eventually become the test environment for the new instance.

  • What happens to the users and communities you host? The local users are who will suffer the most from this and for that I am genuinely sorry. Local users will have until at least the end of March to migrate before any kind of reset is done. This should offer plenty of time to get your new accounts setup. If anyone is having trouble shoot me a DM and I'll do whatever I can to help out. Our current users are welcome to join us on the new instance- https://crazypeople.online/. The last few days have been spent launching and populating that instance with new versions of the communities you’re used to seeing around WG. Here’s a list of our local communities and their new homes:

I encourage those of you who previously participated in our communities to join us again at our new home.


One final thing to note is that crazypeople.online will not be federated with lemmy.world until after they complete their upgrade. That could be any day now unless they push the date back. The older version of Lemmy they run can cause problems for smaller instances that I’d like to avoid on the new one. This decision isn’t meant to be political or controversial and is based strictly on performance goals.


TLDR


  • WG is becoming a test instance.
  • Users have until at least March 31st 2025 to migrate.
  • Replacements for our communities have already been set up at https://crazypeople.online/.
  • crazypeople.online will be our public facing instance going forward, open to old WG members and anyone else who needs a place to call home.
  • crazypeople.online won’t be federated with lemmy.world until their planned update.
  • Don’t test in production.
[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 17 points 7 months ago

Thanks I hate it.

[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Welcome!

You may already have it handled but just in case here's a post with some resources to help you find communities and migrate from reddit. I hope you find Lemmy more to your liking!

[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There's a placeholder for it in the game already so hopefully they have more plans than just profits. I suppose that could just be a dangling carrot too.

[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 2 points 7 months ago

Completely understand. Glad it's working for you!

[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 3 points 7 months ago

Thanks!

Does it feel worthwhile after the grind?

I'd say so, yes. I did the whole thing with a dark deck that I adapted as I unlocked cards so it was very satisfying to get each win. I'd do it over again for sure.

[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 4 points 7 months ago

Tough losses can suck but those long battles can be really fun too. I'd rather lose after a long match instead of those miracle draws that knock you out on turn 3 or something.

[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 2 points 7 months ago

That sounds like a much better implementation of community discovery.

[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 1 points 7 months ago

And that's fine for you, I'm not knocking the experimenting and learning process. That was the whole reason I spun up an instance myself.

What I'm saying is that to the other users that would be impacted by these things, it sucks. People are patient to a point but the fediverse has a lot of odd quirks that make it more difficult than it should be to use for a lot of people. Things have gotten better in the last year or so but it still feels like we're asking people to know more than they should have to just to figure out that Lemmy isn't empty. Many people will get frustrated and leave long before they start making excuses for a site they don't know anything about.

It's easy to sit around proclaiming that reddit sucks but the fact of the matter is that it's easy to use and everything they have to offer is covered under one domain. Again, I don't have the solution to these things for Lemmy, but we can't deny that this platform is harder to use than most and a lot of people aren't going to handle that well.

[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 1 points 7 months ago

Maybe.

But I'd counter that it's prohibitive to growth. People aren't used to turning up at a domain name only to find out 90% of the content can't be accessed without jumping through a bunch of hoops.

[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

you can always defederate if an instance starts abusing it

Sure, but potentially after at least one of the instances subscribed to the bot goes down and someone realizes what's happening. It's incredibly easy to overwhelm a small server's database just by subscribing to a lot of communities the normal way. The difference here is potentially any instance federating the bot in both directions is susceptible to this.

Not that much different to the normal flow, really.

The impact across the fediverse vs just one instance would be the main difference. Plenty of people are using that bot having no real idea of what it's doing.

[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

But this is only true if the user looks at the All feed

It impacts what content is available to users at all. The All feed is just the visual representation of what's actively federating.

Let's say you join a new instance for whatever reason with no outside awareness of how the fediverse works. If you try to search the instance for "sportball" and get zero results the natural assumption is going to be that there are no communities and no interest in that topic. The user has no idea that lemmyserver5000.com has a sportball community with thousands of users because no one with those interests ever did the work to get the content flowing in a way that they could access it intuitively. It's a poor design IMO.

The reason I brought it up has more to do with starting a new instance or using a smaller instance. Communities that the instance isn't aware of (via someone previously subscribing) won't show up at all which causes places to appear non-existent or dead by default. Someone trying a federating website for the first time isn't going to know this, so to them, that's all the fediverse has to offer.

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