Firemyth

Here's the trolling/bad faith.

My response to this 'argument':

"No, you"

What the fuck are you on about Kremlin propaganda?

And? What makes you think you deserve any of that? If you'd wanted to rent-to-own that's a thing. It's something you should have talked about . Of course that appreciation you mentioned would still be a thing and your payments would have gone up to the point you couldn't afford it and null the contract... so... what point are you making?

Paying rent is NOT buying... buying is buying. And you are free to go give that a whirl. I guarantee you will pay more over the same time frame as a homeowner vs as a renters.

I genuinely don't see how you feel entitled to something no one ever agreed to.

Then fucking say THAT. Not all landlords are evil. I'd be willing to bet 90% of these frothing loons don't realize why you are trying to accomplish and are just riding the hate train.

He'll yeah I'm all for more taxes to pay for healthcare/education/collective housing. Hell no am I ok with just giving my shit away because you happen to think I should. Sure- pay me for my investments at fair market value- and I'll just go an reinvest in something else that you guys will inevitably think should belong to all.

So no- I'm not going to ever stand with you because you will always want something from me. Do I think things can and should change. Yes- but your way is a ridiculous way of going about it.

What in the world makes you think you deserve 50% equity? Did you pay half the down payment? Did you pay half the mortgage and interest to the bank? Did you pay half the property taxes? Did you pay half the maintenance? Did you make any agreement woth the owner up front that this is what you would get? No? Did someone mention communism to you and you haven't thought twice since?

I'm not leaving for an echo chamber. I'm just leaving. It's your echo chambers I'm exiting.

All these empty houses aren't producing rent are they? You can go buy one and give it away if you want. Oh what's that? You don't want to do that?

What's the difference if I hammered the nail myself to build the house or if I buy it from the guy who did the hammering. This is the insanity that permeates your argument. I've done both by the way- either way that home is owned by someone and rented to someone else.

When did I say rent was compensation for building a home? You say that- and you are wrong for bringing it up. I built a thing- someone wants to use said thing- we make an agreement that we both agree to.

I characterize this insane rationality as evil. You want a thing to be given away for free without compensation. It's crazy to think this investment I've made is somehow going to magically fix something if I just transform it into some other thing you aren't all brigading over. If it wasn't a house- it'd be a restaurant, or a clothing business, or whatever. And you'd eventually get up in arms about that too. What you really want is others to give you an equal share even though you haven't done anything to earn it and I fucking have.

So your argument clearly states that we are living in capitalism... and at the same time states that your moral problem is one of idealism/communism. Your argument cannot exist in one and then transmute half way through to make it fit your narrative.

We live in capitalism. I have worked and saved to buy off my house which I now rent out at market (below market actually) and provide a home that my tenants could not afford to buy on their own. I haven't increased rent since I started renting.

You are now blanket yelling I should be stripped of my investment. My effort. My money that I've worked for. And these other slack-jaws are frothing at the mouth because they can't conceive of a difference between me and the multibillion dollar company who is actually doing what you are saying.

This is the following each other around bit.

This is the strawmanning I referenced earlier. Goodjob being true to your roots.

This is the kind of thing I really hate to see. It's the reason I'm going to be leaving. You guys make a blanket statement like all landlords are evil because they extract rent for shelter. You don't give any further reasoning. I'm sure you've collectively decided that through some illogical conversations on your home instance but you fail to make a valid point in the wild.

For example:

where are you expecting people to live?

These homes are owned by someone- they worked/paid/built them themselves.

Why do you think these people who have toiled for 40+years should just give you there invested money/work for free?

Why are they evil for using something they have worked for to help themselves?

Inevitably someone like you comes along and just shitposts this same rhetoric you just did with no logical backing behind it other than "evil landlords must die and be redistributed"

How is a house different from a farm? Or a rail system? Or a insert anything created by someone and used for personal gain?

Why don't you go build your own house? Why aren't you giving these unfortunate souls your own place?

To cap it all- you follow each other around in groups and rather than actually discussing you strawman, point people to communist propaganda, and generally troll anyone who disagrees with you. No one wants to join your club, no one wants to read your Marxism books etc. If you have a point- state it. Don't point elsewhere and act like you won because we arent interested in your echochamber

So many idiots deep diving this... it is from the onion- they make parody news. It's not real.

Ok my bad. Literally every interaction I've had with this communist group has been them shitpostig,trolling,strawmanning, etc.

I shouldn't have immediately jumped into that mode on you. I apologize. Also had a bad day- not an excuse. Apologies again.