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I was sure to not be an absolutist for a reason, I'm not always cruising Lemmy. Hexbear in particular absolutely has a sense of humor sometimes that I myself am a bit old for, but judging them for that is very much more "Old man yelling at clouds" than anything. If you don't like it, sure, but that doesn't say A or B about them.

Maybe there's blatant apologism, but in my experience it's people taking whatever scraps they can find to claim "Apologism." For example, discussing high speed rail development in China. Admiring a rail system isn't "blatant apologism," but most lemmy liberals would call it as such, because it was built by China. It's like calling me a Putin apologist for discussing Dostoyevsky. Yes, I'm admiring a creation of the country or it's culture, but I'm not saying that their current governments are the only way forward or really saying anything about governance at all.

Again, I'm not claiming you haven't seen something "blatant" before (I could name so many one off events I've witnessed that don't hold to norms,) I'm just saying that people claiming it to be this widespread norm on every leftist instance are spreading disinformation.

Maybe you shouldn't have defended your point with a link using these talking points then if you didn't want them responded to.

Thanks for proving my point though about liberals just saying shit then going "SeEeEe??!?!" no matter the response.

It's interesting how the only criticism anybody can drum up is "tens of millions dead," but nobody bats an eye at the death toll of capitalism, capitalist countries, and their endless war machine/endless interference in other countries via funding coups or outright assassinations in support of harmful leaders who will play nice with the corporations.

Your link describes discussion of labor camps as if it's some long lost relic of a bygone era - but slavery of inmates is, right now, legal and prevalent in the US subsidizing private industries for pennies on the dollar. It references the conditions of the camps, but plenty of current US inmates face subhuman conditions and treatment. You imply that everybody suffered all the time under the Soviets, but a far from insignificant number (depending on how you do the numbers, with more support for the USSR than we have for our own government this past decade or so) remember the USSR fondly, or at least as better than their current governments.

All the things y'all constantly belt about to argue socialism is the great evil of the world is shit we do now that you support as long as it benefits private entities instead of public. I'm not going to argue that everything was perfect, or that nobody was corrupt, but I WILL argue that y'all spend a lot of time defending those same imperfections and corruptions under capitalism with this lazy weak ass "but fixing it would be spooky scary socialism" argument. Per the common reasons people call socialism a failure, so is capitalism. That's why leftists call for, as you call it, "prettied up" socialism - not to fool people, but because what we're doing now is FAILING EVERYBODY and tripling down on funneling even more of our economy to 1-3% of the population hasn't helped anything so it's time for something different and realistic change is gradual, not "seizing the means of production" overnight. Practically, we find a functional balance like the rest of the "first" world.

To co-opt my criticism of zionists defending genocide with the "1,200 dead" figure: If tens of millions dead under socialism makes you so mad, just wait til you hear about the hundreds of millions dead under capitalism.

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In theory, the things the other replies said.

In practice, anything left of the average Lemmy.world liberal/democrat.

I don't Lemmy enough to say there are zero hexbear users who are pro China or pro wtfever people say, but I see almost none of the ridiculous shit the rest of Lemmy claim exclusively happens there. What I DO see is liberals (usually from lemmy.world if we're swinging at instances) talking ridiculous trollish shit to hexbear users than using the silly trollish responses they get in response to justify these "all hexbears want to give America to Xi Jinping" posts.

"Women hate Tim Walz, thats why we have to spend a 30 minute segment figuring out how to be more like Tim Walz"

I don't fully understand the field of course, but I appreciate this comment FWIW.

Steal the album, buy a T-shirt at their concert!

Won't be disappointed! I have sooooooo many hours in this ❤️

Ironically most of these patented meds were developed with US funding, but somehow it isn't socialism when corporations benefit.

#TeamGuillotine

And also both in movies and "prepper" or gun nut rhetoric, survival begins and ends with guns. No gardening, no first aid, no communication techniques, just guns.

Thats always the thing about gun folk who won't go to the mailbox without their weapon, right? However they justify it, its inherently this fantasy that they'll get to shoot somebody. If you're worried about being prepared, why not a police stick thing, mace, or a tazer maybe? Why does it HAVE to be the hyper lethal super easily reloaded thing or bust?

In that vein, these are all things cops carry on them too, why do they NEVER use them and go straight for emptying a clip instead of practicing escalation of force?

The answer? Murder boners. In both cases, its all just a power fantasy of getting to end a life without facing consequences. Sure, a taser will probably make most people drop a gun, but then you dont have the satisfaction of feeling that ultimate power of control over someone else's life.