FaceDeer

Never jump straight to boiling the frog. Raise the temperature in increments.

Ah yes, since the one thing that markets truly love is stability, and moving production from one country to another requires long-term planning, this will surely help with that.

Opposition to specific genocides.

And any qualified workers you do have could randomly disappear to El Salvador at any moment.

Hyland should probably have taken a medical skilltrainer before she administered this melee skilltrainer.

It's afraid.

Art generated solely for profit, by billionaires, through piracy methods they’d sue the fuck out of you for using? Trash.

We barely got through one exchange before you wound up right back at "you have to pay for it to be art."

So much for the involvement of consciousness.

Why would it suddenly stop being art because you pirated it?

Your whole argument so far has been that AI art isn't art because the copyright holders of the stuff the models were trained on weren't being paid.

I define art as something made by a being with consciousness.

Ah, finally a different argument. Though it now simply transfers the question to how one measures "consciousness."

Found art isn't art, then? Or algorithmic art? Photography?

I am not corporate America, and yet the only language you've been using with me has been "money money pay money."

This was originally about whether AI art was actually art. You started this with:

AI images ain’t art.

And

I don’t care how you perceive the term art. This ain’t art.

But the only actual argument you've come up with so far is that some artists are not being paid for it.

Okay, so let's imagine a magical world where that happened. Every time an AI generates an image, the fraction of a penny that the image costs is shaved into millions of thin slices and distributed to everyone who holds copyright over anything that was used to create the model. Bigger pieces of that penny are going to companies like Disney or Getty, a few atoms of copper are going to randos on Deviant Art, it's all nice and fair.

Does AI-generated art now count as art in that world, as far as you're concerned? Did it pay enough to buy the title?

I don't think art has to have a price tag on it in order for it to be art, personally. If I went to the Pirate Bay and downloaded a copy of a beautiful movie, let's say Koyaanisqatsi, and didn't pay one cent for it, would it not be art?

We don't want it. Too many Americans in it.

Alaskans and Hawaiians are incapable of forming bonds of friendship.

And the same calculus applies to LLMs as to the image generators. If they're so hideously expensive how is it that companies are giving access away for free? The goodness of their own hearts? Obviously they would like for people to pay for services and are using the LLMs as a loss leader, but they're giving away so much in the way of LLM usage that I've never felt any need to pay for it myself. The average Joe isn't their target market, the average Joe doesn't have a big enough demand to be worth charging them for it.