EnglishMobster

joined 2 years ago
[–] EnglishMobster@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] EnglishMobster@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

Alright, one point at a time:

It sounds like that you are just not interested in building a new community and rather go back to the ivory tower that is reddit.

If we weren't interested, we wouldn't have founded the community. We're now maintaining two. The Disneyland subreddit links to Kbin in its sidebar. While I'd agree that Reddit is somewhat of an ivory tower, bear in mind that it's a community we've cultivated for years and we have a sense of responsibility for them.

What are you gonna do when Reddit is gonna implement the next thing that would be unbeneficial to the community?

Link here, like we already are. We've never participated in "Reddit drama". The fact that we took a stand as-is was a big step for us. We even committed to "indefinite", not just 48 hours. It wasn't effective, and we caved after 110 hours or so. Lessons learned.

But when (not if) Reddit shoots itself in the foot, we can have a community here ready for them. Right now it's small. To a certain extent, that's positive... the mod tools on Kbin are lacking. But it's not like we're abandoning the community here.

Spez is taking inspiration from Elon. He's going to do more dumb things. He's already talked about the dumb things he wants to do. There'll be other waves of migration, and we want to make sure that anyone who still wants the space they had (but doesn't want to use Reddit) can have a home.

If you know that the possible new mods are asses, why not call reddits bluff?

Do you think Reddit cares about asshole mod teams? Honestly. Remember, the "new mods" already run a major Disney subreddit. If Reddit cared about them being assholes who regularly wind up on SubredditDrama they would have taken action already.

Also bear in mind that I am one person on a team. There are others who work alongside me that have voices which should be heard and respected. To that extent, a lot of them didn't want to even risk it. I don't have the authority (by design) to unilaterally override them.

Sorry to say but most of the community does not give a damn about moderators.

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I thought and still think it would be absolutely ridiculous to invest your time and efforts for a profit making company for absolutely nothing in return.

Absolutely correct. We're the unpaid jannies, the suckers who need to touch grass. That's not sarcasm, btw - I really do think that. It's absolutely ridiculous that we do it at all, especially given the amount of abuse we get from... well, basically everyone.

Spez doesn't care about our users. We know that. Frankly, there are a lot of places on the internet that are run or controlled by those who don't care about others.

So spaces that do care are important. You can call it posturing, but it's the truth. If we didn't care, we would've quit a decade ago.

We care about making our community a welcoming space, a little home on the internet. We care about stopping trolls that see the word "Disney" and want to cause as much damage as possible.

It is absolutely ridiculous to care. Because you're right - the site doesn't care. We are giving them value and expecting nothing. They depend on us to care, and they treat us any way they want because they know we're too goddamn soft to let harm come to the communities we try and protect.

But there are people who need these little rest stops. They need a place to post a picture of their Mickey Mouse balloon, or their engagement photo in front of the castle, or their debate about what on earth the writing on some poster says. It makes them happy and there's a whole blossoming community there, of happy people in a safe space.

What on earth do I even get out of my "posturing" otherwise? A stupid green badge that says "please yell at me?" I don't even get that badge outside of my sub. I'm not a powermod; /r/Disneyland is the only major sub I mod. The only others I run are teeny tiny, maybe 600 users. We're not a Reddit partner community that gets wined and dined.

We're just some stupid, terminally-online folks who need to touch grass. Doing unpaid labor for an abusive place that doesn't care, promoting a different abusive monopoly of a company that doesn't care. All to make some little virtual people on the other side of a box (who also hate us) happy.

[–] EnglishMobster@kbin.social 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (34 children)

I'm a mod of /r/Disneyland, and we recreated our sub over here on Kbin ( @Disneyland, https://kbin.social/m/Disneyland).

The issue is that we had 500k subs on Reddit. That sounds like a lot, but in reality it equates to about a dozen posts a day, maybe less.

Over here on Kbin, we almost have 100 subs - and I'm really proud of that! - but 100 subs is basically nothing. A fraction of a percent of people are actually content contributors, and the whole community rests on them. Then combine that with the fact that we're a niche subject (not some general thing like "video games") and that impacts what can be contributed.

On top of that, the magazine is fairly empty. Not barren - we have a few posts - but it certainly looks and feels empty. And because it's empty, nobody wants to post, which means it stays empty.

Compare that to Reddit, which has a very dedicated community for us. Not a massive community, but certainly a passionate one. We care about our community; we've stewarded it for years. All of us mods started out as members of that community (the subreddit founder is long gone), and we're all unpaid volunteers that want to keep that community healthy.

Reddit threatened to take it from us and give it to another mod team for a related Disney subreddit that played along with the admins. The issue is that multiple Disney subreddits have, uh, issues with those mods (which has been the case for years to the point where explaining the history is part of onboarding for a lot of Disney mods).

So the issue was reframed - either we reopen our sub on our terms... or we stick to our guns, force Reddit to remove us, and get replaced by a different mod team. This other team is known to be harsh about banning users for any kind of dissent, they abuse their mod powers to spread anti-vax nonsense all over their "non-political" subreddit, they have multiple subreddit drama threads talking about their actions, they've been gunning for all of the Disney subs for years... and they'd immediately jump at the chance to reopen the subreddit we've worked hard on so they could run it their way.

When you look at it like that... there's only one real choice. I hate Reddit, but our community doesn't deserve that.

I realize saying "we choose to keep our powers for your own good" makes me sound like, oh, I dunno, "landed gentry"... but users don't see that side of moderation or Reddit drama, and frankly they shouldn't have to.

So we opened and are taking the abuse. Users are torn between "you caved, scabs" and "told you this was a useless gesture, how dare you take my sub away". Neither one is great.

But there's more to it than what appears on the surface, and frankly that's true across a lot of subs.

[–] EnglishMobster@kbin.social 30 points 2 years ago

Technically, the domain name is itjust.works. ;)

[–] EnglishMobster@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Do you have an alternative magazine/community here or on Lemmy? I followed both of those subs closely on Reddit.

I'm a mod on /r/Disneyland and our mod team set something up here on Kbin ( @Disneyland; if you're on Lemmy go to the search bar and search https://kbin.social/m/Disneyland).

We've been promoting it in our "we're private" message but it hasn't really gotten much activity yet.

I've been hoping to see a giant list of communities that have moved their mod teams to other services somewhere, but I've just seen some isolated comments here and there.

[–] EnglishMobster@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Kbin has an open pull request to fix the case sensitivity IIRC.

The main focus of the past couple days has just been trying to stop the site from collapsing. ;)

[–] EnglishMobster@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Remember that you are people too!

When things are just getting off the ground, the more folks that participate, the better. If things are to flourish it's going to require participation from everyone and not just lurking. ;)

[–] EnglishMobster@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you go up top to Magazines you can search by keyword, which is how I found these.

There are currently some duplicate communities across instances; over time people will settle into one or the other. You can subscribe to any of them, or just the most active one.

AskHistorians will likely need to have a dedicated instance (for verification) and more robust mod tooling than currently exists. It may be a while.

[–] EnglishMobster@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Subscribe to all of them, or just the ones which are just the most active.

Over time people will choose one and that'll be the primary one (just like /r/gaming vs /r/Games). The most active are https://kbin.social/m/formula1@lemmy.ml and https://kbin.social/m/formuladank@lemmy.world.

[–] EnglishMobster@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm sure they're being worked on, but I haven't heard anything yet. Theoretically any fediverse bot will be able to make posts, though.

One place to start may be here: https://github.com/rileynull/RedditLemmyImporter

That takes Reddit comments and copies them to Lemmy. I have not used it and cannot say how well it works. But it's something to look at and a link I've seen thrown around often.

Theoretically, that's kind of what you want to do, just with RSS instead. (It may also be possible to mirror any arbitrary subreddit using RSS, as Reddit allows viewing subreddits as RSS... that'd be a cool bot to open-source if someone does have the skills.)

[–] EnglishMobster@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It seems odd to me that Beehaw would choose a federated model if this is truly their approach.

The whole point of federation is that you'll have everyone from everywhere in your community, with exceptions for bad actors.

If Beehaw says "We want our community to be unified and work exactly as we say" it just seems like they should have forked Tildes or something?

I was talking to one of the Beehaw admins the other day and I think they mentioned they came from Tildes because they disagreed with how Deimos was running things or something like that. But Tildes is open-source and non-federated, so it seems like the more natural place to jump to for what they want to do?

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