The American version need not be TERF though. It is not an inherent part of what 4B actually entails and is extraneous to the purpose of 4B.
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It's also puts people who don't want to have kids at all in a tough spot. It makes surgical sterilization effectively mandatory.
I support the 4b movement in theory but when I tried to join I was told I couldn’t, because I’m married to a man.
This is why, when I mention 4B in more general contexts I also talk about "birthstriking". My partner supports 4B as an ally but isn't a participant because she isn't going to leave me to make a statement. I also consider myself to be an ally of the movement, even though I'm a hetero man in a relationship with a woman. I'm a loudmouth far left / socialist. And I've also had a vasectomy to at least keep that 4th "B" out of the equation.
We live in a blue stronghold state that protects women's rights, but if things get clamped down here we may decide to take additional precautions.
Part of 4B is to avoid pregnancy, especially in an environment that has banned abortions and restricted contraceptives (e.g. Project 2025).
The point of 4B isn't to "own" anyone. It's to avoid exploitative relationships and pregnancy. Abortion bans and restrictions on contraceptives, as proposed in Project 2025, increase the risks of having sex.
MGTOW is a legitimate thing on its own and doesn't have anything inherently wrong with it. Unfortunately it has been mostly co-opted by misogynists. The "movement" (if we want to call it that) has been tainted by these bad actors.
Yeah, tech is going to further entrench those in power and further the divide between them and everyone else. We are headed towards a very dystopian future.
Apply this protest over generational periods of time, we end up in a world with way more people from the population that didn’t choose to abstain from procreation
The alternative is to try and outbreed them. Given that we're running headlong towards climate change and ever-increasing environmental toxins, this is not a winning play. I'm willing to step back and opt out of this reproductive arms race.
They can fucking have it
I voted Harris, but I was pretty fucking disgusted with Kamala's refusal to change course on this.
Why do people have this idea that the economy will do better under Trump? Where did this come from?
It's not about punishment. It's about practicality given the circumstances.
I did not vote for this either, but it would be foolish to not acknowledge that sex will become far riskier for women if they do not have access to abortion and contraceptives.
The preceding commenter's response wasn't vile or hateful. It was a very matter-of-fact presentation of the situation that we (as a society) are facing.