EmptySlime

Doesn't a calzone require the fold in the dough where a ravioli is two "sheets" of cough pinched together? Or am I misremembering sandwich classifications?

Bloody hell you are exhausting. You're still doing it. You're "just pointing out that they made a mistake, not saying it is bad." But by making it solely "their mistake" you are pushing all of the responsibility off on them. I get that you don't want to "condescend" to people, but even if it's not your intent the clear implication of how you talk about this is that they are the problem. It's their fault for being ignorant of all the data. It's their fault for not doing the "bare minimum" to engage on the topic. They lacked the critical thinking to see through the propaganda. They could have easily answered their own questions if they just applied themselves. So what does it mean if they haven't? Oh but it's not a value judgment. Everyone makes mistakes. I mean, I didn't make this one. What does that say about you?

But I'm the one who is condescending? It's "condescending" to acknowledge the concerns that these people have because I don't assume they have all the information I do. They're smart, they know this stuff already. Or if they don't they could easily learn it. Well Bud if they knew it already, why would they be scared about it in the first place? Oh that's right. They failed to resist the propaganda. It couldn't possibly be anything else.

I'm not doing this anymore. You win. You're far more virtuous than I. You're the Best Leftist. Have a nice day.

You're immediately ascribing malice and poor character to these people with no regard for how they got there. By which you signal your virtue at having not done that thing. You call it a "failure" when in reality more often than not people get radicalized by being vulnerable and being taken advantage of by bad actors. You pay lip service to the reach of propaganda and how easy it is to fall victim to saying things like "People make mistakes" in the same breath you call them failures. You overestimate your own ability to resist propaganda along with how much knowledge and information the "average person" has. People with knowledge on a subject consistently overestimate how common their knowledge is. Even when they try to account for it. It's such a well documented phenomenon that XKCD jokes about it. Do you honestly think that people living paycheck to paycheck, many of which work multiple jobs really have the time to do extensive research on a topic like vaccination?

You're still doing it by making a value judgment on my statement rather than taking it for what it actually is being a statement of how people get radicalized by these types of movements. Asking "if I think it's okay" for people to make that failure in judgment? I understand the fear of a new parent and how bad actors can twist that fear to evil ends. How do you expect to reach anyone if you won't make even the slightest bit of effort to understand them? I get it, why should you have to make the effort to understand anything? It's not your job to teach them.They're the ones that failed, so they need to "do better" and that's it. You're a good person. You didn't fail in critical thinking and tumble down the alt-right rabbit hole. You want to hold everyone else to a higher standard because it absolves you of responsibility. Bad things happen because other people failed. It's not your fault.

While I want to make the effort to make sure that people have the same information I do. Because I recognize that I cannot know what information they have access to. And wouldn't ya know it? This is exactly the same stuff the people who STUDY VACCINE SKEPTICISM say works best.

No. No I reject this framing entirely. The way you're talking about this makes it sound like no one should ever fall for propaganda and any one that does is simply a Bad Person™ and they don't matter. I'm sick and tired of this kind of virtue signaling and failure of imagination to even try to understand why someone might get sucked in by bad actors.

The average person has no earthly idea the sheer volume of data there is on this. At most they know that it has been studied in an abstract sense. They also know that they're worried about this tiny life that is suddenly their responsibility. They know that one time a few years ago they got a flu shot and they felt like crap for days afterwards. They know babies are fragile. Intuition tells them that if ONE vaccine did that to them, what could giving multiple at once do to an infant? For much more serious diseases in fact. They also perhaps know that they don't trust the drug companies. Maybe a relative gets regularly gouged for lifesaving medication, or maybe they themselves had a bad experience with the medical system. It's very easy for them to intuitively concoct a world where those drug companies buy a bunch of studies and trick the broader medical community to repeat it as gospel.

But nobody takes their concern seriously. People laugh them off because "Of course vaccines work you idiot. Who would ever question it?" and so they go looking for someone who won't just dismiss them out of hand. Who will listen to their concerns and actually speak to them rather than deliver talking points. And just who do they end up finding? The local Mom's group full of vaccine skeptics swearing up and down that vaccines are secretly dangerous. Random influencers pushing that same narrative. Official looking but bogus studies that support that narrative that the so-called "authority figures" dismiss just like those authority figures did to them.

You're not going to keep people from getting sucked down those pipelines by shaming them for being capable of falling for it to begin with.

Most likely, yeah. The "True Believers" are never going to be moved like you say. But most regular people that end up getting sucked down that radicalization pipeline are regular parents that just have anxiety about making the right choices for their kids.

They don't really understand how vaccines work or how they're made, they just look at the vaccine schedule and are like "Measles, Mumps, and Rubella? Are you sure that's safe?" They're maybe already primed to distrust drug manufacturers because just... The World we live in. Then they end up falling prey to the propaganda that says no it's not safe. That the anxiety you feel is completely justified because of all this information they don't want you to know.

We'll never really know how many people a study like this might keep from falling into that pipeline. Debates like this are very rarely, if ever about directly convincing your opponent. They're almost always about convincing the audience. So the more good data we can get out and the more good communicators we can find to stop those worries before they fester into conspiracism the better.

To be fair, she was more disgusted by him responding that way to the "I'm married" thing than anything else.

I cry really easy, so stuff like this always gets me. I still get teary when I see cute edits of Himmel and Frieren.

Like I haven't even had a chance to see the movie yet, but I'm out here crying over clips from Kpop Demon Hunters that I don't even understand what's really going on in them fully. But they are just so cute together... 😭

That feel when you go too long without eating so when you do finally realize you're starving you eat way too much and feel miserable after.

This reminds me of a burn my wife gave to a random guy that decided to hit on her one day she was out running errands while I was taking care of the kids.

Deadass just first thing out of her mouth after he hit her with the "I won't tell if you won't," to her saying she's married. "Ew, I'm gonna need you to tell me what about any of this (gesturing to her entire Butch Lesbian look) made you believe I was straight so I can immediately remedy it." I almost felt bad for the guy for a second. Almost.

When bro is such a bro you completely forget he's trans.

My wife's got a friend this happens with all the time. She'll be talking to him and something about our oldest will come up. She'll make some remark to him thinking he'll relate, entirely forgetting that he had to transition so he didn't experience whatever it was the same way.

Nah he had a foundation too.

If I'm reading what the artist said on Instagram correctly responding to a comment it's Legoshi from Beastars.