Doug

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[–] Doug@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago

Occam's razor is just one tool though, not an end all be all answer. Complicated things happen.

[–] Doug@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think you're just talking about Thomas Riker

[–] Doug@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago

Absolutely! Just wanted to reassure everyone that even the things you're sure are known to everyone aren't.

Lucky 10,000 and all that

[–] Doug@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I haven't read past the explanation for the spoiler, and I doubt I'll be terribly fussed if someone comments one to me that I can't avoid, but I wanted to offer, I guess some support for your reasoning.

I play as time allows and have gotten, I think around 30 hours under my belt. I've got a handful of quests partially done and at least one finished.

There are temples?

[–] Doug@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago

Hell, I look at a 20 year old human as immature and I'm just in my thirties!

Biological maturity does not equal getting the life experience of an adult. Not enough life experience means more naive and easier to manipulate, even if the older being doesn't want to.

That's some shit and you should judge people by their character instead of their age. I've known people in their fifties and sixties who were less mature than other people I've known in their twenties, and we're not dealing with developmental issues here.

Some people have gone through way too much shit by the time they hit twenty and have moved well past being "naive and easy to manipulate". I say this having been one and married another.

Maybe the real "immature kid" is the one making ageist judgements on people who really aren't that much younger than they are.

[–] Doug@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago

I can respect your position. Even if it is wrong :)

In more seriousness though I think we're about as close to agreeing as we'll get. Even if a third of the crew reacted to him as I suggested long term it's worth being part of the consideration.

It's always nice to have a respectful disagreement. Moreso on the Internet.

[–] Doug@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Totally agree on credit to the writers.

I don't think dead is really a fair term. For one of implies a finality that clearly wasn't the case. Even aside from that, when Spock was dead would it have been inappropriate to try and recover him? What if doing so would cost two more lives? What if he and someone else had been dead and recovering them would cost one life? The needs of the many and all that.

Your question is both fair and unfair. It's like asking when someone's death is no longer tragic. News of a child dying is generally referred to as a tragic event. Is it still when that person is 20?

Another factor to consider is how Tuvix's life would progress after declining. There's at least one obvious and one slightly less obvious bits that come immediately to mind. Imagine your among the crew and someone important to you was lost in such a transport accident. Can you honestly say you'd treat Tuvix the same after you found out he could have brought them back and declined to? Just from an ordinary person stand point that's already hard, but lets add in the other part.

How many people aboard Voyager, or any other Starfleet vessel, wouldn't lay down their life for two of their crew members, even if they didn't really know them directly? It's an even bigger issue for Voyager because they're stranded. After everything happens if it comes to a desperate situation, would you be sure Tuvix would do the same for you, or do you think you might worry if he'd be looking out just for himself. I'm not claiming such a thing is right or wrong, but it is human (and many other races) behavior. It's entirely possible Tuvix would have been spared only to be a pariah. At what point is it not worth it?

[–] Doug@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Yes, but Tuvok and Neelix weren't

[–] Doug@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Technically didn't they reverse Tuvix the doctor when they overlayed the diagnostic program's matrix on to him?

Not the same though. The diagnostic was allowed to consent to being melded into another being.

[–] Doug@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago

How do you know what I look like? Have you been following me‽

[–] Doug@midwest.social 16 points 2 years ago

At least she wasn't raping her students. It's a low bar to clear but she got over it where other teachers haven't. So I guess that's something.

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