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Right, I acknowledge that, although China unfortunately also had a hand in the radicalization effort: Blowback season 4 goes into it a bit, they wanted to poke the USSR so they actually helped fund the sources in Afghanistan that later backfired into Xinjiang. But like I said, they're dealing with a real security problem.

I would still say that an ethnically delineated camp is probably too broad of a response, but I'm also not one of the people that got stabbed. Maybe that's bourgeois decadence for me to think. Deradicalization appears to be very difficult to do while abiding by the convention on human rights, a more humane and successful attempt at what China is doing doesn't come to mind.

At any rate I am skeptical of the nightmarish cartoon version you normally hear, I wish there were more robust third party organizations that could be trusted to investigate something like this without being weaponized by the US or some wacky fundamentalist. It's just that there's a lot of room between "a genocide of Uygurs" and "everything is totally fine."

Thanks!

Almost like they know they'll be okay under fascism.

I believe China acknowledges the facilities exist, they would dispute that they are torture camps though. I'm of two minds, on the one hand I can easily imagine a government committing human rights abuses in response to a security threat. I think it's good to be skeptical of the state narrative that they're nice vocational training facilities. There's a decent chance things are happening that I would find unacceptable, I think that's fair.

On the other hand I see how our government and media are treating the Palestine conflict. I remember WMD, and the babies that were supposedly unplugged from the incubators in Kuwait. I've read about the Gulf of Tonkin. I know what we did to Mossadegh, and how we spun that coup against democracy as liberation.

I'm deeply skeptical of US and 'western' narratives of people that threaten their order. And yes I do believe a lot of things can be faked, especially things happening in a language almost no Americans speak or read and have to trust the interpretation of events being given to them by actors with a stake in the outcome.

Yeah it feels like being back at the beginning of 1 a little, dealing with a lot of the same ideas but deliberately changing which part of the process you focus on to show more features of the cycle.

Yeah I was shorthanding it basically as "the commodity you're buying is moving the cargo, which is given to you by virtue of the productive labor being completed."

If they aren't I'm not sure if I understand the point. That seems extremely uncomfortable.

Is Q supposed to be meaningfully older than Mark? I know the synoptics all are believed to be taking from it, but I don't remember ever being told how distant of a predecessor it was imagined to be.

Lol I was a nepo hire at one of the facilities that made their pies. Folks there were pretty nice too.

GT Pie Company? If so, weirdly small world.

It kinda feels good when you're reading a section and a question occurs to you which is the subject of the next section. Makes it feel like you're following what's going on.

Time to learn why logistics is still productive labor.

Oh that guy, he got owned by a bunch of hexbears on a thread about Ukraine news, he's probably just gonna find a reason to take that out on whatever hexbears he sees.