Cowbee

I reject both, hence the necessity for pointing out that electoralism will not save us.

The only way it's best to protest under Trump/Harris is if you want to die while protesting.

Local is smaller than state. State still has too much money and will trounce smaller parties just like you said. Looking at PSLs election results, the only showings of note are board seats, city council, and mayor. That’s where we need to start.

I understand that Local is smaller than State. I also understand that the second a Third Party posed any threat, both establishment parties would collaborate against them, regardless of having won local elections or not. You can't vibe a party into power.

I’m not saying this is the only path forward. I’m all for guillotines, but you need the people on your side for that and getting the people aware of the movement is a tough process.

Correct, which is why voting for PSL is good for visibility.

Please, you desparately need to read Theory.

Nope, it likely won't happen before the election. However, I don't see why you think the DNC wouldn't collaborate with the GOP to stomp out Revolution equally, both serve the United States.

No, your argument that we should vote for whoever would be the best to protest under is acceletationism. By your logic, Leftists should vote for Trump. That's your line of logic.

No, your argument that we should vote for whoever would be the best to protest under is acceletationism. By your logic, Leftists should vote for Trump. That's your line of logic.

Organize with my fellow leftists and continue to push for Revolution, which we know factually works, rather than trying to push for reform, which we know factually doesn't work.

I'll probably end up voting for Claudia De La Crúz of PSL.

This argument doesn't really work in your favor, Leftist organizing was much stronger under Trump, because liberals had a common enemy with Leftists.

That said, we have got to get out of this constant cycle of only having two options. There’s too much money at a national level to start there. We’ve got to start local and get third party candidates into offices at a city level, then state, then national. It’s going to take a long time and it should have happened so very long ago. We can’t change the past, we can only change the future. The only time to start changing the future is in the present.

This has no chance of working. Electoralism is designed to not work like that. If any third party showed any chance of winning at the local level, the DNC and GOP would collaborate against them. We have seen this in Georgia, where they kicked PSL off the ballot. The only way to legitimately get somebody not in the DNC or GOP in power is via Revolution.

The Israeli government, military, and many of its citizens are acting as a terrorist nation. Palestine should be a free country instead of one oppressed and murdered by its neighbors. These attacks should not be supported, funded, or supplied by any country, especially one that claims to value democracy (and yet continually acts against those values). The UN overwhelmingly supports all of the above. The US is wrong here. The US needs to change its stance.

Why does the US support Israel, and why has it for so long? The answer will show the course we need to take.

The US is political system is a two party system. It truly truly sucks that we do not have a ranked choice voting system. Currently, voting in national elections for a third party is only effectively denying a vote to one of the two major parties. (Local elections are a different story and the only way to possible route to national change of our two party system is to start locally.)

It does more than that, it signals where people are willing to vote.

Neither viable candidate has a good stance on Palestine. Of the two viable candidates, it should be obvious which one will have less negative impact on racial and religious minorities. It should also be obvious which candidate could possibly change their incorrect stance on Palestine once reaching office. I’m not saying there’s a large possibility, I’m saying ANY possibility.

Neither candidate has any possibility of changing unless they fear losing the election because of it. The genocide isn't a moral choice, but economic.

If all Americans were required to vote, and could only vote for one of the two major parties, which candidate do you think the vast majority of Muslim-Americans would vote for?

If we lived in such a dictatorship, then I believe Muslim-Americans would join Leftists in organizing outside of the electoral system and help build up Dual Power.

When protesting against our country’s stance on Israel and Palestine (which I will do until people are free from the river to the sea), I would much rather be protesting against someone with a shred of empathy rather than someone who is likely to engage the military to use deadly force and brutal repression against us who protest.

Neither have a shred of empathy, and Tim Walz sent in the National Guard to disappear BLM protestors under Trump. Neither are good, both are evil, neither care.

You’re incorrect.

Nope, I am correct here.

The meme references capitalism, not capitalists.

The meme is made by a Communist, we are specifically talking about how Capitalists are unnecessary because even in Capitalism, the workers do all of the labor.

Americans support capitalism by working and paying taxes, even if they’re not capitalists. What the US makes is produced through capitalism unless you’re native or communal.

No, you're not talking about the same thing here. Workers did all of the labor in creating your phone, it wasn't the Capitalists. We aren't saying Communism produced the phone, but workers.

Again, how familiar are you with Marxism?

I don't believe green voters expect them to win, nor is it possible to work your way up from the bottom in the US electoral system.

I was referring to the other definition of capitalist, as in a capitalist country. In that case, capitalist is an adjective, and has a different definition.

Sure. We don't care about that, though. That's secondary. What we are discussing is that, mechanically, within Capitalism, it is the workers alone that design, mine, ship, build, and sell the phones, not the owners.

Also, most Apple employees are shareholders. They offer excellent stock options for employees.

Petty stock ownership does not a Capitalist make.

Before we go any further, how familiar are you with Marxist theory? We aren't really talking about the same thing here, so establishing a baseline would help.