Cowbee

This is what Biden is doing, right now.

Probably the genocide.

Depends.

It's a carrot, not a stick, but either way electoralism won't save anyone.

The same DNC that blamed the left for Hillary losing and then credited centrism with Biden winning?

Yes. They can continue to blame, but they will continue to lose.

Those are fine goals, but pragmatism involves addressing reality as it is, not how you would like it to be. I doubt you can achieve both removing legitimacy from the system as you see it and forcing the DNC to speak to the left simultaneously since the DNC is a part of the system that's in place. Unfortunately the DNC appealing to the left needs to be a two way street, make the left more appealing to the DNC than the right. All those Republicans endorsing Harris is the right appealing to the DNC, the left needs to out do that effort to pull the DNC to the left. Rejecting them won't do that, only the opposite.

This is peak liberalism, lmao. The DNC is pulling right because of their donors, if they think they can win without the left then that is their miscalculation.

That doesn't mean the problem is due to it being public.

Genuinely, yes. That is the only way to stop the US Empire and achieve Socialism.

The shortest possible answer is orrganizing with leftist parties and building up Dual Power, ie comparable democratic institutions that can readily-replace the existing state structure. Imperialism brings about the death of Capitalism, eventually this decline will result in a shift to revolution, so having an organized group at the time of revolution ready to help guide that revolution and establish Socialism rather than barbarism is what's important for Leftists.

There's a lot of theory on the subject you can read, but you can also look at the Party Programs of FRSO and PSL.

But yes, I legitimately believe Claudia De La Cruz is propped up by Republicans, because they are doing it out in the open. Look at Georgia, where the Republican Secretary of State overruled the courts and kept independent candidates on the ballot after RFK voluntarily withdrew.

If you actually look at Georgia, both the Republican court and Democrats suing are keeping Claudia De La Crúz off the ballot. You might want to do better research. Even then, it isn't "propping up."

I agree we need to push the Dems forward, because capitalism will always resist progress.

The Dems can't be pushed forward, only reigned ever so slightly in.

Harris and Trump are not anywhere close on foreign policy. Harris does support Israel, and Israel is engaged in a genocide. I'm not disputing that. But That's the only overlap between Harris and Trump, and Trump is proactively supporting the genocide, whereas Harris at least pays lipservice to the goal of ending the violence.

Oh thank God, I'll go inform the grieving Palestinians that Harris is paying lipservice to them while Biden literally is sending in US troops. That'll make all the difference!

I can understand why that makes it impossible for you to support Harris. I cannot understand why you are unable to see the difference between Harris and Trump. You may not like Harris' position, but if you hate that, Trump's position is objectively worse. Opposing both of them, refusing to take a side, refusing to cast a vote, these are all the choices that take you out of the equation. Your vote literally won't count.

You'll excuse me for thinking lip service is worthless, I care about the genocide itself and not the posturing those in charge do. My vote will certainly count, it's a vote against genocide and a vote for Socialism. If the Dems want my vote they can pivot in that direction instead of speedrunning to the right every election.

Harris is not going to change her stance on Israel before the election. After the election, she may evolve on the issue if she continues to face pressure.

What pressure? If she gets elected, she has no more pressure. Her donors want the genocide to continue, so she will.

Right now, the Dems have decided that supporting Israel gains them more votes than it loses, and they can live with that.

Correct, they have decided that they think they can win without my vote, that's their decision, and therefore on them.

Change happens slowly, with dilligence and dedication. It requires thoughtful, strategic effort, and doesn't happen in a single election cycle. It doesn't happen at the highest level, in a fptp race between two people vying for the chief executive office. You have to win hearts and minds, install progressives at every level of government, convince donors that it is in their best corporate interest to oppose genocide.

This is where your argument goes off the rails. No, you cannot reform the genocidal US Empire from within. The second a progressive party starts winning, the DNC and GOP will collaborate against them. Reform is impossible, leaving us only with revolution, which is what PSL is for. The aren't trying to win the election, but make a lot of noise.

The world is a horrible place, and you can be part of the solution or part of the precipitate. You make your choice and you live with the consequences. We plant the trees that will shade our grandchildren, or you can stamp your foot and pout because the trees aren't providing shade now. But you make a choice either way. Are you helping, or not?

The fact that you think continuing the genocidal US Empire is "planting trees that will shade our children" is sickening. Please, read theory, and organize. Electoralism will not save our children, Capitalism will make sure of that.

You're just another bootlicker, the only difference being that the boot has been painted red

Lmao

Were you a real leftist, you would understand that so called 'communism' executed this way only leads to the creation of a new ruling class that the people first obey because they believe it can liberate them, and after that, because they are surrounded by propaganda and would be imprisoned or killed otherwise.

I am a real leftist, thank you very much. If you can explain how elected delegates constitute a "ruling class," then that would be appreciated. The idea that Communists were supported because of propaganda and threats ignores the doubling of life expectancy, 99%+ literacy rates, free healthcare and education, democratization, and reduced wealth inequality. You ignore material reality.

I beg you to educate yourself and start looking at tankie propaganda more critically instead of breaking your chains only to hand yourself over to a new ruler.

I beg you to educate yourself and start looking at US Empire propaganda more critically instead of supporting the status quo while whining about it.

Honestly, the idea that I am somehow brainwashed by "tankie propaganda" despite living in a system where Marxism is demonized daily is silly, you know your quip doesn't make any sense.

Read Blackshirts and Reds, and read theory.

Removing legitimacy from the system itself, and forcing the DNC to appeal to the left if they wish to gain more votes, rather than allow them to get away with genocide.

No dictatorship is ethical, the state is inherently unjust and oppressive

The Dicatorship of the Proletariat refers to a democratic proletarian government. The State is a tool by which one class oppresses others, hence why it is important for the proletariat to assume command. Once classes are abolished, the state itself withers away into an administration of things.

Also see: USSR, China, and North Korea.

See what? Democratization?

But the rest of the world? We could elect people changing the system and there is nothing the 2k people could do

Lol. Lmao, even. No, you cannot.

what we need to do is change the companies and the way to do that is legislation

Will never happen in bourgeois dictatorships. You have to wrest their control via force.