Cowbee

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago (9 children)

tribal societies specifically?

Yes, after tribal societies came the first class-based societies. You said reactionary movements predate class society, tell me.

how are you defining capitalism?

An economic mode of production centered around commodity production through competing Capitalists in markets who employ wage-labor, seeking greater and greater accumulation. This process is only a few hundred years old.

are you ignoring the contemporary Amish and other people who oppose change out of principle for no capitalist reason?

The Amish participate in Capitalism. Culture is a reflection of the Mode of Production.

you're lumping conservative human behavior that exists independent of capitalism with actual examples of direct capitalist problems like mortgage crises.

I am speaking of class interests.

yelling "socialism is the best and capitalism causes all the problems" at the people yelling "capitalism is the best and socialism causes all the problems" isn't exactly dignifying your stance with a sense of legitimacy.

Where are you seeing this?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago

Historically, revolution has resulted in more democratization and less "authoritarianism." From the brutal Tsarist Regime in Russia, to the fascist slaver Batista regime in Cuba, to the nationalist Kuomintang regime in China, revolution reduced inequality and gave more power to the people compared to their absolute squalor before.

Read Blackshirts and Reds.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (10 children)

The answer is organizing. Join the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) or Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO). Only through organization outside the electoral system does the Proletariat have any hope of steering the ship and seizing the reigns.

If you do not organize, then you are fine with fascism.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I have offered supporting evidence for my points, and rather than counter any of it, you make the baseless claim that the GOP would start executing Socialists before the DNC, when that's a bipartisan time-honored tradition.

You have not explained why you think that the GOP would execute Socialists faster, nor why you think disparity would meaningfully slow down or reverse under the Democrats. Far-right violence rose under Biden compared with Trump, because neither party works against climbing disparity.

Therefore we should take actions that may delay that.

The answer is to join revolutionary orgs like the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) or Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO). Only through organization outside the electoral system does the Proletariat have any hope of steering the ship and seizing the reigns.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (22 children)

The stakes are too high to not organize, voting for the Dems doesn't stop fascism, or even delay it.

MAGA is popular for the same reason other nationalist, fascist movements have risen over the course of modern history: as a response to Capitalist decay. MAGA isn't popular for genetic reasons, intellectual inferiority, or other reasons like that, but as a common class interest. All of the descriptors in the OP are consequences of the driving factor of class interests, not the drivers themselves.

Fascism is most often represented as an alliance between the Petite Bourgeoisie and Bourgeoisie proper, driven by the Petite Bourgeoisie, as monopolization of Capital results in competition becoming more and more difficult, and the Petite Bourgeoisie faces Proletarianization. To prevent the Petite Bourgeoisie from joining the Proletariat in solidarity, the Bourgeoisie proper turns their hatred against the Proletariat and Lumpenproletariat.

What does this all mean, in practical, American terms? Small business owners, landlords, ie the "middle class," is shrinking in power, so the Small Business Owners are aligning with billionaires like Musk and Bezos against immigrants, workers, unhoused peopled, gender/sexual minorities, women, ethnic minorities, and more.

How do we fix this? Grow the Petite Bourgeoisie and restore their position? Absolutely not! That's when fascism is established. Trying to "turn the clock back to the good old days" results in dramatic reductions in worker rights and a solidification of power.

What we need to do is establish Socialism. A victory of the Proletariat, a folding of the large monopolist syndicates into the public sector so they can be centrally planned for the public good, rather than privately planned for profit, is the way forward. This is the way to escape fascism's rise. This is the way to defeat MAGA.

I recommend reading the book Blackshirts and Reds, fascism's irrationality has rational, material origins, that can be understood and defeated, and it isn't in the "marketplace of ideas."

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago (27 children)

The least you can do is join the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) or Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO). Only through organization outside the electoral system does the Proletariat have any hope of steering the ship and seizing the reigns.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Are you capable of answering my comment in good-faith? I do not give a hoot who you vote for, voting for Harris will not stop fascism, and neither will voting for Stein or Crúz, nor will voting for Trump, obviously. Fascism is Capitalism in decay. Disparity is rapidly rising regardless of who is in power.

It's the fact that economic conditions move in the same direction regardless of which party is in power that a vote for Harris does not slow fascism down. Fascism is not synonymous with Republican. Fascism isn't a policy that can be enacted. Fascism is a defense mechanism for decaying Capitalism, and neither party being in power will change the overwhelming force of that decay as Capitalism continues to swell to the point of bursting.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago (6 children)

You can't "rest against a tooth," the positions of the parties aren't unflinching, unchanging policies but reflections of economic conditions. The Democrats haven't abandoned Medicare for All because the Republicans vibed themselves to the right and they followed, but because economic conditions are deteriorating as disparity rises.

You're taking the ratchet effect metaphor far too literally. As the Material Conditions change, so too do the policies of the ruling parties, they are not guided by popular sentiment.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I am saying there is no electoral path to Socialism.

As for Socialism's historical record, I suggest you read Blackshirts and Reds. Cuba, China, Russia, etc. all dramatically improved conditions for the people following revolution as compared to the fascist slaver Batista regime, the nationalist Kuomintang regime, and the brutal Tsarist regime.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago (8 children)

What do you think fascism is? A mold? The Democrats are not anti-fascist, they are the polite face of a duopoly.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Fascism comes from continuously deteriorating material conditions, not from whichever party is in power. Harris is already campaigning on improving conditions for "small business owners," continuing Capitalism in decay continues fascism's ascent. My point is that voting will not slow down or speed up fascism, that's something that comes with the economic conditions of society and the class relations within.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

I recommend getting one you can flash KoReader on!

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