Cowbee

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (20 children)

It's certainly doable, but it would require Socialism, and revolution within the West. Difficult, yes, but easier than returning to monkey.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

America is a bit unique, it's made up nearly entirely of Labor Aristocracy, ie beneficiaries of Imperialism.

The Petite Bourgeoisie are Capital Owners that must labor, small business owners and the like. The lack of college education doesn't mean they won't be held back from becoming business owners, and the dominance among the religious and white is because of fascism's cultural characteristics, explained in the first chapter of Blackshirts and Reds.

Fascism can also be described as Imperialism turned inwards.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (22 children)

Then the answer is that it can, and that I can't answer if it will or will not because I am not a fortune teller.

Are you doing alright?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (8 children)

How's that radical rise of the proletariat going for those in Venezuela? How did it go for the Soviets after Lenin? How'd that whole great leap forward go for the farmers in Maoist China?

Venezuela is doing alright, not great but it isn't really a Socialist state. The USSR had great success in many areas, like a doubling in life expectancy, free healthcare, free education, huge increases in home ownership, and more. The PRC struggled during the Great Leap Forward, Mao was only about 70% good, Deng course-corrected back to Marxism-Leninism.

Or perhaps you are of the "These are not true Marxist regimes. There's never been a true Marixst state" camp. Gee, I wonder fucking why? Perhaps because it doesn't work. Marxism is unsustainable at scale.

No, AES states exist and Marxism works. Cuba, the PRC, Vietnam, Laos, DPRK, etc. are all guided by Marxism-Leninism. Socialism guides the largest economy on the planet, if it couldn't scale then it wouldn't have.

You want a commune, go for it. A town of co-op of farms, by all means. Perhaps even a small city state, just beware, if you introduce a power vacuum, some smooth talking snake oil salesman is going to try to fill it.

I am not advocating for Communes, I don't know where you got the idea that I was.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

What do you mean? Marxist scholars? The best are members of Communist parties.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (24 children)

Are you a nihilist? I can't make a guarantee that we can establish Socialism and get rid of fossil fuels within 5 years. I can say that AES countries have been far better than average on meeting climate goals.

What exactly was the point of you claiming AES states aren't Socialist? Are you just looking to argue?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (26 children)

I really don't see what your point is with this, first you claimed Socialist states aren't Socialist because they are Marxist, but that you don't care about Marxism, and now you're asking for a guarantee of climate action within 5 years. You're all over the place. What's your goal?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (28 children)

I can't see it happening under Capitalism, that's for sure!

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

It did last time as well, in my opinion. I'll likely never convince Flying Squid, but indirectly they will help me convince others.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (30 children)

Faster if you help!

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I know, but it's useful for liberals to see someone so adamantly argue in clear bad-faith against someone who actually knows what they are talking about. Flying Squid normally gives up and walks off.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (32 children)

Market economies can be rid of by degree once a Socialist state is established. The Socialist revolution is the mechanism of this process.

Can you explain the Engels quote?

Will it be possible for private property to be abolished at one stroke?

No, no more than existing forces of production can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society. In all probability, the proletarian revolution will transform existing society gradually and will be able to abolish private property only when the means of production are available in sufficient quantity.

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