Cowbee

Generally agree with this, and I say this as a Marxist debate pervert. However, I have managed to win over people, so it isn't all a waste.

Not all views are mature nor logical, and as such shouldn't be respected nor dignified.

I'm talking about normal comments. Remove politics at all. Both communities have what we can call "conversations about benign things." I've seen more censorship in ml than world in that area.

If this is your point, I'd like to see an example. I haven't seen non-political censorship on either instance fitting this.

Then if we do go to politics, I can attack both sides on "home turf" and only receive bans from one side. Sure my user is a .world user, no idea if that factors in. I've just seen a difference in how the two approach similar situations and in don't agree with how ml has handled those. That's really all it is for me. I could be wrong and like I said, if I see world censoring in a way I disagree with I'd treat them just the same.

Depends on why you attack liberalism. Using consistently Marxist analysis gets you banned, I imagine you aren't likely to be a Marxist, but I don't know. I'd need to see examples.

I don't know if I'd consider myself anarchist. My views don't seem to fit into one of the labels going around very well. I find myself agreeing with parts of multiple stances. And disagreeing with parts of multiple stances, which is where my different experiences with censoring come in.

There it is. You aren't a Marxist, your views are not consistently Marxist. Lemmy.world censors Marxism and consistently Marxist analysis, not just everything critical of liberalism.

As a side note, I recommend reading theory, Marxists and Anarchists tend to have consistent views because their frames of analysis lead to consistent conclusions, such as Dialectical and Historical Materialism with Marxism.

I'm not saying you're wrong or even that ml is a bad place. I'm just sharing my experience and reasoning for avoiding it. Other may agree or disagree, I'm not the source of truth by any means haha. But I'd really love to see the censorship toned down in general, across the board.

That's fine, I just wish you hadn't jumped out the gate attacking Lemmy.ml and then me then.

Honestly, you can't avoid censorship unless you go with an extremely lightly moderated instance like Lemm.ee, so you may as well jump to one that best fits your views if .world isn't already that for you, or jump to a lightly modded instance.

And I have explained that lemmy.world is anti-Marxist, and shown clear evidence of them taking action against Marxism. I have also managed to attack liberals on Lemmy.world and have gotten away with it, but even expressing the same opinion on different posts can get you crossed off the list of a mod having a power trip.

My point is that you can't remove bias from mods.

If you consider yourself an Anarchist, for instance, you'd likely be better served on Hexbear, dbzer0, slrpnk, etc than Lemmy.world, for example, just like I'm unwelcome on Lemmy.world for being a Marxist.

Communities aren't the same as subreddits, Lemmy communities are more like hashtags for an instance. Hexbear is an example of a leftist instance, and the Hexbear Games community is basically a Games hashtag. Trying to centralize communities on one instance is a bad plan IMO because that gives far more power to any given instance.

Community repitition isn't a bad thing, it's an advantage.

Bad wording on my part, I restated my intended point. What you see as crazy being censored on Lemmy.ml, I also have shown what I believe to be crazy censorship on Lemmy.world. All instances censor along their political lines, you can either go with something like Lemm.ee or find the instance that best fits your political beliefs.

I did not say you said it didn't happen on .world. That's not my claim. My claim is that every instance censors views outside what the mods deem acceptable based on their own views. Lemmy.ml only really has a "bad reputation" among the instances with anti-Marxist views, like Lemmy.world and dbzer0, as a quick example, just like Lemmy.world has a bad reputation in leftist instances.

I think it's very difficult to understand the broader inter-instance relationships if you don't have a decent understanding of Marxist and Anarchist theory, as there are many of both, as well as many Liberals. It isn't like Reddit where Liberals far outnumber leftists.

My point is that Lemmy is multipolar. It's divided between the right-leaning instances like Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, the left-leaning instances like Lemmy.ml, slrpnk.net, blahaj.zone, and dbzer0, and the leftist instances like Hexbear.net and Lemmygrad.ml. Mods and admins on each instance are guilty of maintaining the "instance line."

You say world censors more than ml and I appreciate that you have had that experience but it's not what I'm seeing and it doesn't seem to be what others are seeing. Censoring happens, I'm not so naive to think it doesn't. But the things I've been banned for saying in ml, and comments I've had removed that are literally just saying facts with sources is crazy to me.

I don't know how you can read the very clear accounts of censorship I showed you that I personally experienced and claim that it doesn't happen on Lemmy.world, including just saying facts with sources. What is happening here is that you most likely agree with the political views of the Lemmy.world mods, and as such don't see as much issue with liberal censorship of leftism.

I'm a Marxist-Leninist, and the mods and admins of Lemmy.ml lean Marxist, it makes sense that liberalism gets banned more frequently on Lemmy.ml. I have no control over what others say, only what I do, I don't see how that makes me a problem.

Edit to your edit: you may have no mod powers but you are the echo chamber that is being reinforced. I've had interactions with you where you're being very aggressive or sarcastic and I'm sticking to facts. Guess who got banned or comments deleted, me. I mean maybe it's because you're an ml user, but those interactions look very bad from the outside and people are seeing that kind of stuff. Literally look at posts today about how people are moving away from ml.

I am indeed a Marxist-Leninist, I stick to Marxism. If you were on Lemmy.world, you could be the echo chamber that is being reinforced. People are also moving away from Lemmy.world for being anti-Socialist.

Here are a few examples of the mods denouncing Socialism and Marxism, and they perma-banned me from political memes for going against the liberal narrative for "misinformation and posturing" despite leaving up the Zionist lie that the Palestinian genocide is a 1000 year conflict. This is also when one of the moderators claimed they weren't censoring anyone and were incredibly fair on a comment chain calling out their censorship, and refused to elaborate. They would not even tell me how I could edit my comments to comply with their rules.

They defederated from Hexbear "as a last resort-" before ever federating with Hexbear.

In the Lemmygrad defederation thread, there's unsupported claims of hate speech and calls to violence, which we have to fill in the blanks - the mods are anti-Marxist and anti-revolution, so any Marxist instance is going to fail that test.

The Hexbear defederation thread is somehow worse when they list why instead of leaving it to the imagination. Read some of the top comments, it's clear that it was anti-Socialist in motive. Real spooky scary zingers listed as evidence in the post like “The West’s role in the world, through organizations such as NATO, the IMF, and the World Bank - among many others - are deeply harmful to the billions of people living both inside and outside of their imperial core.” This statement is 100% obvious to anyone not stanning the US Empire.

Another example listed is “These organizations constitute the modern imperial order, with the United States at its heart - we are not fooled by the term “rules-based international order.” It is in the Left’s interest for these organizations to be demolished. When and how this will occur, and what precisely comes after, is the cause of great debate and discussion on this site, but it is necessary for a better world.” Yet again, they are defederated for being Marxists, and therefore being revolutionary. This is just because they are authentically Marxist, not because posters were mean.

The mods of Lemmy.world are Liberals. Not just any liberals, but "true believers." Marxism is dangerous to them and so they shut it out, they spelled it out plainly. They censor just as much, if not more often, than Lemmy.ml.

I'm assuming because Lemmy.ml isn't noticably less active, OP can chime in if they want. It seems to be more instance-based inactivity, with Lemmy.ml the same as it has been.

Also you, you specially are actually big problem in the ml community. I've seen you interact with enough people who all seem to suspiciously be censored.... Hrmmm.... I've also heard plenty of people reference you. You personally have done a lot of damage to the ml community.

Can you elaborate? Who is referencing me? I don't have any mod powers or admin powers, in fact I rejected offers for mod powers from different instances.

Both Asklemmy and Lemmy.ml are quite active right now, and have been. I can only assume it's a broader question. I know I avoid Lemmy.world communities generally due to the censorship and biased mods though, maybe that's making an impact?

Also you, you specially are actually big problem in the ml community. I've seen you interact with enough people who all seem to suspiciously be censored.... Hrmmm.... I've also heard plenty of people reference you. You personally have done a lot of damage to the ml community.

Can you elaborate? I have no mod or admin powers.

What are you talking about? This is about overall activity.