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The most major were moving far from where I grew up, taking a job that was hybrid physical labor and office work, meeting my now fiancé, and reading Marxist theory.
The first forced me to grow up.
The second helped my sympathize with the trades, physical laborers, and other people that office-workers are normally out of contact with.
The third dramatically improved my life and opened my horizons.
The fourth helped me make sense of our crumbling systems and know what needs to be done.
Hah I knew it. No, dissent is not the same as platforming.
So then where is the line between reasonable dissent and platforming?
Really? So doing anarchist praxis is not anarchism?
It's semantics. If a Marxist uses Marxist analysis to side with Anarchists, they are still acting as a Marxist.
Supports how? With thoughts and prayers? That's not unity. That's just vibes.
As I already stated, many members of Hexbear are also members of PSL, FRSO, Food Not Bombs, or local leftist parties and groups.
Because I think it's fruitless if they don't even bother to take part in completely neutral topics which have nothing to do with AES.
So then why ask me to send them your way?
The only explicit rule we have regarding MLs is "no tankie communities". And of course I'm not going to remove comments just to fit your sensibilities about Lenin.
Never said you should remove the anti-Lenin comments, but that your moderators have bias. The "no tankie" bit is a good example, "tankie" is ill-defined and as such can be used to target whatever the moderator wishes.
But in any case I was not talking about you specifically, I was countering your point about Hexbear anarchists being too precious to venture outside a space where ML-style "AES" is not the accepted paradigm, which for real is an utterly an absurd thing for an anarchist to be hung upon.
It isn't about HB Anarchists being "precious," Hexbear is already active enough and has its own Anarchist communities. Jumping to dbzer0s isn't exactly the first choice for most people.
It's why I try to get more people to read theory, the people leaving Reddit usually are the types who care enough to keep up with current events and willful enough to abandon Reddit over ideals, but generally haven't yet read leftist theory.
To be clear, many people do read theory, they just aren't the same people trying to recreate Reddit.
No. It never makes sense to "enforce unity".
For clarity, does this extend to Capitalists? Fascists?
No, but it means you're doing anarchism. I.e. it's not "left unity". It's just anarchism.
I'm gonna disagree on the semantics there.
Again, a movement doesn't gain traction on its own. Its unity of praxis that makes it so, which is explicitly what your "left unity" is not doing, since it waits and see if someone else has traction to join it. It's nonsense!
On the contrary, it supports leftists to do what they believe is most effective and learn from other tendencies.
Sure, tell them to come over to /c/anarchism!
Why don't you make a thread inviting them? I'm not wanting to get accused of "brigading" like Hexbear always is.
dbzer0 is not hexbear. We don't ban people who are misguided about "AES", like hexbear would. As such, there's not problem in coming over to talk to us.
I've run into issues with dbzer0 as an instance regarding this, your rules surrounding MLs are deliberately written in a manner that limits discussion. If you change the rules to be more free-speech then I'll consider it, I used to do so until it became clear that I had to watch what I said, while takes like "Lenin wasn't a Marxist" stay up and even get postively upvoted.
If his comments aren't breaking the rules and can stay up, I don't see why you feel the need to strong-arm me into submission for "proof of good faith." I have called out comrades before, I don't do it every time, especially when I clarified my position on that thread already.
I agreed with the message, not the tone nor how it was delivered. You can see me elaborate in my own words on that thread.
If you have a problem with what I say, engage it directly.
More prone than who? ml?
Yep, if you're a Marxist, you risk being censored on .world
You're doing great! Also with your "reasonable nice guy" facade!
Do you disagree with what I said there? I fully believe solarpunk is especially at risk of opportunism, I fully back that, and even some of their users agree that they should do more to combat that, such as linking solarpunk theory and trying to be more unified in message.
Secondly, what do you mean by "reasonable nice guy facade?" Do you think I have been unreasonable or secretly evil? What's your point?
My point is that the division is very much black and white. The anarchists which joined the Bolsheviks got disillusioned, purged or killed. The anarchists of Spain learned similar lessons. Disagreements are allowed to happen in anarchist revolutions, sure, sometimes too much for their own good. But we've seen that in ML ones, persistent anarchist disagreement is an eventual path towards the front of a firing squad for being "counter-revolutionary".
At what point does dissent become counter-revolutionary? Never? Or is there a point where it makes sense to enforce unity?
No, when you join an succesful Anarchist movement and don't act like an anarchist, it's entryism. When you act as an anarchist, it's just anarchism.
So if I ideologically think the movement is flawed but materially support it I am considered by you an Anarchist? I disagree, to an extent. If a movement gains traction, it is more important to effectively support that movement, however it manifests, to the best of your abilities.
Again, it's all about the praxis. How one larps on a web forum is irrelevant
If a Marxist believes in Democratic Centralism and therefore joins the Anarchists in a united movement, rather than fracturing it, despite their disagreements, they are a Marxist.
So long as it anarchist theory which suppresses the largest anarchist lessons learned painfully in the 20th century, which is that left unity doesn't exist 🤷
That's your opinion, of course, and Hexbear's Anarchists clearly disagree. I suggest talking to them about it.
Starting to sound like a cult here, buddy...
I don't see that at all. If dbzer0 as an instance is generally hostile to support of AES, it isn't always useful nor fun to engage if you do support AES. I don't think it's "cult-like," neither instance is truly neutral ground.
Hexbear has Marxists and Anarchists, it's a non-sectarian "left-unity" instance. Lemmy.ml is admin'd and moderated by Marxists and some Anarchists. Similar, but different.
First of all, that's ahistorical. Bolsheviks infamously denied a revolution was happening and tried to wait for better material conditions, while a revolution was happening. This kind of things happens all the time.
It is historical. Many Anarchists joined the Bolsheviks to support the mass movement, and the Bolsheviks also supported the Anarchists in Spain for a time. Disagreements are allowed to happen as well, my point is that the division isn't black and white.
Anyway, you just rephrased yourself. How would a movement "pick up steam" with two factions pulling in different directions? Or do you claim that MLs would join a purely anarchist movement? If so, that's not an example of left unity. It's an argument for entryism or something. And we already know what happened when anarchists joined ML movements picking up steam...
You call it "entryism," I call it left-unity. Even then, coalitions have their place as well. Secondly, many Anarchists joined the ML movements, the ones who did not were the ones too opposed to work with them. That doesn't mean the Marxists were innocent, of course, just that it isn't black and white. Many Anarchists joined the ranks of the Bolsheviks.
No I'm talking about the site culture. I think that's the primary reason people put aside their core differences to hang out, either that, or LARPing as the other faction to give credence to "left unity" 🤷
The former is more of a point than the latter, there are clearly Anarchists on Hexbear and Anarchist theory is often talked about and encouraged.
If any non-toxic anarchists venture out of Hexbear, sure I can ask them. !anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com is right there but I never see any hexbear anarchists commenting (except for the times they brigaded)
Hexbear's Anarchists aren't likely to participate in an Anarchist community that fundamentally disagrees on analysis of AES.
If I see nonsense like that I'll correct it, but I maintain that it's more likely than not a misunderstanding of what was stated, if you aren't going to link an example.