Hey, the US Empire is weakening every day. This is looking to be the good timeline eventually.
Cowbee
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Trump is a threat to democracy
America doesn't have democracy in the first place.
Correct. You seem to know all about the voting system, I don't need to explain to you why that is.
You do. You said Dems are not entitled Leftist votes, but then said Leftists are helping Trump by voting for Cruz. By your logic, Libertarians and Non-Voters are also helping Trump. It's nonsense.
They will move in the direction they think they can get more votes. The past has shown that even when they lose, they prefer to move "center" rather than left.
Depends on where they lost their votes from.
Please explain how voting for your alternative 3rd party candidate, sitting at 0.3% at the polls if I'm not mistaken, will help.
Because refusing to support the genocidal system is a good thing. Kamala and Trump are united on Gaza, voting for either will only result in more death and destruction.
Voting 3rd party is not and will not lead to revolution.
Revolution will come regardless. An increase in votes for Socialist candidates shows the public the strength Socialists are building and presents an alternative.
I brought up US Imperialism and the promise of juicy profits to the MIC. Palestine obviously matters the most, but I truly don't see why the tax proposals are relevant when discussing why fascist Reaganites love Harris. Harris will continue to push US Imperialism even further, with more exploitation of the Global South.
Again, no idea why you're bringing it up in any capacity. I know what you're talking about, not why it's relevant. For starters, "lower class" and "middle class" don't mean anything, they are entirely arbitrary.
And Trump has already proven to support Israel’s eradication of Palestinians and expansion into Gaza and the West Bank. Israel is not the point of comparison between them. Trump is worse for Palestinians.
Trump is the same as Harris with respect to genocide. He can't just buy bombs on his personal card and ship them via DHL, this is a bipartisan effort because the basis is economic, not moral.
More money in the hands of the lower and middle classes stimulates the economy and drives stock prices. The middle class is considered the most wasteful class. That consumption drives consumerism.
No idea why you're bringing this up.
Nothing I said implies Democrats are entitled to any votes, just basic statements about options and their outcomes.
So then you don't have any problems with Leftists voting for Claudia De La Crúz, rather than the Dems.
Because of the terrible voting system, all those voting for Jill Stein will not affect the outcome. Voting 3rd party is barely better than not voting at all. If they would have otherwise preferred the Democrats, this helps Trump.
So you do believe the Dems are entitled to Leftist votes for being ever-so-slightly less far-right. Leftists hate the dems and the reps, but now you are saying they help Trump by voting for their interests.
I also don't think voting 3rd party will make Democrats adopt more leftist policies, as that risks losing centrist voters and their big business sponsors they rely on.
If the Dems lose votes to Leftists, and they wish to regain those votes, they have to move leftward. They won't ever be Socialist, correct, but they move to where they lose votes.
It's a shame, but the best vote is one for Harris. Even when it comes to the Palestinian Genocide. If you want more 3rd party options, try to win a local election first and build momentum from there, don't start with nothing 6 months before and try to win the federal election from there.
No, voting for genocide is not the best for Palestinian Genocide, unless you support the Genocide.
Additionally, the idea that a third party can simply "work their way up" from local elections is absurd. That's not how the electoral system is oriented in America, any third party that poses a genuine threat to the system would be fiercely combatted by both parties, like how both Republicans and Democrats are collaborating to kick PSL off the ballot in Georgia.
The only path forward is Revolution.
Yep, but the part that specifically draws the Reaganite fascists to Kamala is her promise to maintain the most lethal military in the world. Forever wars and endless profits for the MIC, endless support for Imperialism.
I read it as the neoliberal warhawks are enthusiastic about a more level-headed maintainer of Empire who has promised the most lethal military in the world and to always support Israel.
I’m saying that they will be forced to enact reforms once the political zeitgeist changes.
Are you suggesting genuine revolutionary pressure, or suggesting that public opinion meaningfully sways the parties?
The state has an exponentially larger capacity for violence than us.
Correct.
Our only viable option is the threat of non co-operation.
Not sure what this means, are you suggesting working outside the electoral system, or within it?
The nuance lies in doing it in a way that we don’t lose the progress we have already made. That means aligning with the Democratic Party until we have enough political capital to form a viable third party.
Where does this political Capital come from? How do you grow it if not working with Third Parties to begin with?
More importantly, if we side with the Dems, why does that increase the political capital of leftists? The GOP will not go away, even if the party itself crumbles, what will replace it will be another far-right party, because the material conditions for that remain as long as we continue to exist in decaying Capitalism.
Owen was apolitical, I am not.
Not sure what this means.
Out of curiosity, what do you consider yourself? Marxist, Anarchist, Liberal, etc.?
You added good context to what I'm saying, good comment comrade.
Democratic Centralism can be hard to swallow if analyzed through an Anarchist lense, but ultimately the results and necessity of the matter speak for itself. Diversity in thought, unity in action.
Trotskyism is especially dangerous because it's essentially wrecker Marxism. Trotsky is often shown in a sympathetic light in western media and narratives, and prevents actual radicalization. New Leftists see a supposed Socialist with similar critiques of the USSR as the US State Department, and that's a far more comfortable pill to swallow in the west.
I hope, given the mass terrorist attack on Hezzbollah just now.