Cowbee

It's pretty clear to me that it's attempting to destroy the misconception that some newer leftists have about Socialism and Communism, who have just learned about it and think it sounds great, but haven't actually dug into the structures and realised that while a lot of it is indeed great, it also takes a lot of work still.

Would it be tankie to bash whoever thinks reading tarot is labor, peacefully? Absolutely, but I think it's more tongue-in-cheek, and I actually think the original person the joke is replying to is also being tongue-in-cheek, to an extent.

At least, that's my non-tankie interpretation. Dirty jobs would absolutely exist, and while it would be likely that this work would be split amongst the broader workforce, the idea that people can get by without actually contributing what they legitimately can is Utopianism.

Did I read too far into this, for what very well could be a tankie being an absolute piece of shit for no reason? Yes, but I hope I'm right and both are decent people making sarcastic fun.

Isn't it funny how when you add context, "maybe Canada is taking in too many immigrants at once" turns into "yea, I'm probably better described as an ecofascist even if I don't like the way that sounds, and I am intolerant and believe in overpopulation?"

All I'm saying is that my suspicion was a lot closer to being correct. Ecofascism is far closer to Nazism than mere "immigration too quick" ploys, and it makes sense to call you a fascist in that context.

Maybe reconsider your positions if they even put you in the vicinity of fascism? Just a hint.

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Absolutely. Engineers aren't the ones that see any of the benefit of the IP they create unless they have the money, connections, resources, and Capital to also manufacture and sell said products. The ones who create what people use every day get to see the IP they designed get resold countless times with no kickback. Same with Scientists, many go uncredited for critical research, especially women, historically.

1. FOSS is undeniably a rejection of the profit motive. People may use something developed as FOSS to make a profit, but FOSS itself is rejecting profit. Linux being used by for-profit companies does not mean it's suddenly privately owned, a la Capitalism.

2. You didn't answer the question, you dodged it entirely. If this is your way of massaging that you think antidemocratic measures to ensure workers have no say other than to unionize or leave is a good system, then it's a very odd dodge. You can have normal wages and normal sale prices with worker ownership.

3. Being able to start a co-op within a market based system does not mean co-ops are Capitalist. They are firm rejections of Capitalism. Additionally, if we can agree that democratic control is better than authoritarian, centralized control of Production a la Capitalism, then it makes sense to advocate for a more democratic and horizontal structure.

Am I not allowed to make my case against Capitalism when clearly relevant? Shutting me down by claiming I'm screeching at others, when you yourself attacked my comment first, is ironic to say the least.

To be fair, understanding the damage of hierarchy economically while simultaneously rejecting intersectionality and upholding it socially is an extremely fringe view to have. Socialists with conservative social views are very rare in developed countries and online.

Usually the far left calls everyone a liberal, it's liberals that call conservatives Nazis. The far left usually calls actual fascists Nazis.

You're literally on one of the alternatives. FOSS is a rejection of the profit motive, and individual ownership of Capital. It is, quite literally, an anticapitalist statement. Are you under the impression you're on Reddit?

Money doesn't need to come from Capitalists, and again, Capitalists aren't doing the innovating. That's like saying the bread baker that fed the Engineer is doing the innovating, because without the bread baker, the Engineer couldn't innovate. Of course humanity is interlinked, no one man is an island, but that doesn't mean labor performed by one person is actually labor performed by another.

I'll make it simple for you, and give you 2 choices.

Factory 1: Capitalist owner, non-owner workers. The only voice workers have is to either get a new job, or unionize.

Factory 2: Workers are the owners, and thus production is democratized. One of the workers is elected as a manager, and may be stripped of power by the rest of the workers at any time.

Which one is better?

To circle back: what you listed is a very, very narrow vision of what Socialism can mean. Socialism is Worker Ownership of the Means of Production, and can be just as varied as Capitalist organization. Are you going to say that Sweden is the same as Pinochet's Chile, just because both were/are Capitalist? Absurd.

Depends entirely on the context. Framed like that? Probably not a Nazi, but I wouldn't dare make judgement without knowing what actually transpired.

Might be a hot take, but the idea that the word "Nazi" is thrown around like it's nothing is actually overblown, and usually it's correctly thrown.

Engineers and Scientists are workers, not Capitalists. Capitalists are owners.

You're quite literally on the explicitly leftist, anti-capitalist alternative to Reddit. Instead of a centralized, closed, Capitalist system filled with ads, you're on a federated, decentralized, openly shared platform that deliberately rejected the profit motive and Capitalistic development for its own innovation.

Did it legitimately never occur to you that FOSS is a leftist structure? Right now, you're using an example of anticapitalist innovation.

Love em. Peak Capitalist innovation! By shipping a 99% complete product for a low price, you can gain a large user base. Then, you make it addictive as fuck and add pseudo-gambling, to take advantage of people likely to routinely make small purchases. Then, all you need to do is spend a fraction of dev time on new skins or stickers, and make obscene profit!

What, you don't like living in the modern orphan crushing machine, designed to commodify literally every second of your existence? Are you some kind of radical? Spooky!

Yep, for these people Capitalism is the only thing that has ever existed and is the only thing that will ever exist, so there's no point in advocating for better, as it can't be better. Real "end of history" neoliberal bullshit.