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I like how your big slam dunk is to admit that you’ve been on this bullshit for over 20 years now and haven’t learned a damn thing if you think “stand aside and let Gaza be annexed outright” is a defensible position.

No, I've learned that when I give the Democratic party control of all three houses, they break their own promises and refuse to use the power they've been given in any meaningful way.

I remember the murdered peace movement when Obama got into office and got the American Foreign Wars Count up from 2 to 16.

I remember the dead promise to legislate a law protecting abortion when the Democratic party had all three branches of the government and absolutely could have passed legislation.

I remember holding my nose and voting for Clinton as she then continued to run the worst campaign I've ever seen and then, as fucking always, blame it on the left.

My gotcha is I've lived a life of watching the Democratic party attack its base for the worst causes and try to shame anyone with a memory longer than a goldfish into voting for them again.

Letting Trump Win is an action which furthers genocide and me pointing that out is not boomer shit, you’re over a decade older than me and yet you’re carrying yourself with the mental maturity of the inverse.

Genocide is Binary. Harris has made it clear (in so much as she has made any policy view that she holds clear) that she will follow Bidens current policy.

Biden is currently committing genocide. And yes, giving weapons to the person doing it is the same as doing it. Especially if you could stop it with a single phone call.

So then where the fuck do you get off advocating for letting the guy who’s already handed Israel East Jerusalem, West Bank, and The Golan Heights back into office to recognize Gaza as Rightful Israel Clay?

And did less damage through that then what is currently happening right now. Not defending Trump here, but you seem incapable of recognizing that the worst crime that can be committed is happening now. Under Biden.

Again, Genocide is binary. It is happening now. You can try and ignore that, if it will make you feel better somehow, but you know exactly what you would have been doing in the Weimar Republic, or how you would have felt about John Brown before the civil war.

There is absolutely no self-consistent moral framework that will support your current arguments. If your moral system is just "That feels wrong, that feels right" with no actual value system, then I'm sure that that is fine with you.

Versus the unbridled rape and murder of Palestine now?

Jesus fucking christ… Why does everything that anyone disagrees with “propaganda”? Why can’t it be someone with a different fucking viewpoint? What the fuck is wrong with people on Lemmy that we can’t discuss something without it being “obvious propaganda” or some other bullshit?

Time is linear.

Ignoring the rogue state actions that the Iranian RESPONSE was a response to is such a bad faith action it has to be propaganda.

You can make anyone look good, if you pick the right starting place to tell a story. Not recognizing that that is a classic propaganda strategy is a education problem for you.

Not everything is black and white. There is room for disagreement on parts of this conflict. I don’t agree with the US sending troops of any kind to Israel and I think we should stop giving them weapons until they stop committing genocide.

Again, time is linear. That is absolutely black and white.

The only point I was trying to make is that it doesn’t seem like a massive escalation to send 100 troops and a defensive system when we already have 50,000 troops, many war ships, two nuclear aircraft carries, and a ton of aircraft in theater already.

There is a big difference between being in that theater and putting american troops that you know will be a priority target that will be killed if Iran defends itself against another Israeli attack.

I repeat, there is a reason this wasn't given to Ukraine.

Genocide and harm reduction do not belong in the same sentence.

Genocide is binary.

I'm in my forties. I'm a millennial.

This is just some more 'damn kids' boomer bullshit.

Genocide is binary.

Anything that furthers genocide is not capable of being harm reduction.

Genocide is binary.

Trying to make it analog is just trying to justify the unjustifiable.

That who neglected?

EDIT: also, why are you saying there is a hole when just a little while ago you were saying Iran was incapable of damaging Israeli targets with ballistic missiles?

It's putting 100 US military personal in place to operate a legitimate military target that will be one of the first things targeted.

We didn't give this to Ukraine, despite them begging for it, because of the implications of US military personal potentially being killed by Russia.

Seriously, to the people acting like the obvious next step to ww3 is no big deal, what happened to your critical thinking skills? Do they go out the window, along with any anti war sentiment, when a Democratic president is in office?

It is not proportional.

The Iranians ballistic missile launch was in retaliation for Israel assassinating a visiting diplomat in their capital and for Israel's terror attack against Lebanon.

Get out of here with this obvious propaganda that completely ignores the rogue nation of Israel's attempt to start a regional war to save the political career of someone trying their best to get trump elected.

Two responses.

One just says wrong.

The other actually engages with you on the topic.

Yet you respond only to the one that just says "wrong" complaining that they didn't engage you on the topic.

Self righteous smugness is a hell of a drug, isn't it?