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I mean, for starters this argument states as fact a number of points that are questionable. Sure, I'll grant the US holds Israel up as a strategic point in the Middle East. We do the same around the world and so do other nations in support of the same. Russia did/does the same thing with Cuba, for instance.

The rest of the argument about petrodollars, economics, one-state solutions, and IMF loans is conspiracy theory and conjecture masqueraded as fact. One book about it doesn't make it true. It's not worth disproving because the poster is gish-galloping garbage.

Man, fuck off with this partisan bullshit

I really think you should, fam.

You responded to the previous poster quoting something they never said and your answer doesn't follow the conversation. JFC read your own comment chain before being an ass.

Whew the tankies and astroturfers are out in force in these comments. I think we got the gamut going here:

1. "I don't vote for genocide"
2. "A vote for 3rd party isn't a vote for Trump"
3. "If we don't vote 3rd party nothing will change"
4. "Jill Stein isn't a Russian asset"
5. "Who cares if Trump wins; they're both bad / nothing worse will happen l both sides"
6. "I literally don't understand how Trump can win if I vote 3rd party because I don't understand the difference between voting for and against a candidate"
7. "Liberals / Democrats / Harris voters are the real fascists"

Solid work astroturfers! Glad to see you're still trotting out these arguments despite plenty of Lemmy users discrediting each and every one. Really shows grit and dedication.

Also, calling it now that at least one of them replies with something about how they're true / haven't been discredited.

From my experience in my very red state, there's a high degree of cognitive dissonance when it comes to those things. A family friend who's very religious is secretly undergoing IVF even though the church banned it's use because they want a child more than the threat of excommunication. Supposedly they'll be forgiven for going against the church since they're "fundamentally good" people.

Nah, holding your vote appears to be you just being another unmotivated democratic voter without regard to why. No one gets polled on why they didn't vote 4 years prior. At best Harris barely wins and at worst Trump takes office and you get 4 years of genocide + Ukrainian subjugation + subjugation of women, minorities, and immigrants at home.

Kind of a no-brainer that you should vote for Harris here.

Don't come to Lemmy for math proofs, particularly in a political conversation. What an obtuse statement.

Great deduction skills there.

Sure, you can't literally steal a vote, but either you're unfamiliar with American colloquialisms or being deliberately obtuse. It's a term that describes exactly what you're doing here - actively trying to convince people to vote against something using deception.

Yes, you're being deceptive by trying to drive democratic voters to split their vote so the right wins. I have yet to see you make a single good faith argument here.

You need 270 Electoral College votes to prevent the vote going to the states for the Presidency. There are 538 votes available. The only way to have more than two parties compete and have the election not go to the House is if one party is unified and has large public support against the other parties that do not. This essentially creates a single-party state.

Ergo, our system is designed to have two parties, each with roughly half the population behind them. Anything more mathematically ends in a single party state.

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