BurgerPunk

When did China become a democracy? It’s not communist? I thought you said it was?

Socialism is democratic dumbass. Its not liberal democracy - its people's democracy.

I love how you didn’t even give me the opportunity to weigh in on your answers before defending them

Because you libs all say the same dumb shit

You must be real fun at parties.

go back to reddit with that lame shit>

China is the most obvious one, but Cuba, DPRK, Vietnam, the USSR did very well until it lost its conflict with the US.

You're probably going to say some dumb shit like China isnt really communist, which shows you don't know what you're talking about, or maybe some other westoid propaganda talking point about muh authoritarianism. If that's what you've got don't bother.

You probably don't consider these countries "successful" for some reason based on US propaganda. Great, we've all heard it and know its bullshit.

If you want to pretend that China is not currently the most successful nation on earth, the world's largest democracy, and led by a Marxist Leninist party, cool. Most of the west likes to pretend that shit to. It doesn't change reality, and no one here wants to hear about your lib fantasy world

exactly! This lib's arguement just proves our point

Good luck ing harder then

If you want to be right all the time too, we have book recommendations!

Parenti: Blackshirts and Reds: https://archive.org/details/michael-parenti-blackshirts-and-reds

Engels: Principles of Communism https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

Lenin: State and Revolution https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/

Its our ego comrade

how are you going to protect this revolution from the next one?

There's an entire intellectual tradition about this called Marxism-Leninism. There are successful Marxist-Leninist governments that exist right now, including the largest nation on earth. We aren't aren't talking about a fantasy here, there is is over a hundred years of paractice and two hundred of theory, if you're interested in our worldview

As you said, the government doesn’t work for us. I don’t know of any structure that truly does

Liberal democracy does not work for us - as in the people who are not in the ruling class. That isn't because of some immutable characteristic of all governments, it is by the design of the US government and all liberal democracies.

They were designed by and to work to the benefit of the ruling class - capitalists. That's why it doesn't work for us. Thats the key element and that's what we advocate for a change of. The only way to change things in through class struggle - and placing power in the hands of our class.

But the alternative is anarchy, and that’s not going to work either.

We have anarchists here and we keep the place non-sectarian. MLs would agree but not for the same reasons as you. Our disagreement is that we need the power of a state to safeguard the gains of a revolution against the global capitalist class and their state forces. Anarchists have a different view, but they understand the importance of revolutionary class struggle and disagreements aside, their theory of change is infinitely more grounded in reality than yours

We've got a mental gymnast here

Whatever you gotta do to feel right, I suppose.

The fact that they're right helps, i suppose

it’s easier to fix the system than replace it.

If we can’t even decide on basic shit like “is the earth warming at a rate that is hostile to life” how are we supposed to form a new cohesive government? It’s going to be hard enough electing decent people to any structure you can think of.

You yourself are making our point for why liberal democracy cannot fix itself. We can't form a "cohesive government" as you say within this system. That's why its necessary for this system to end.

You will never be able to elect "decent people" because you, us, the people do not have a say in who they get to vote for. This government does not exist for us, and it is not a democracy for us. And it never will be, until the power of capital is broken

With Blue MAGA everything is about Russia. It can't just be that the Biden Admin is awful in addition to being genocidal, and no one likes them. No its all Russian disinfo and agents and bots

You've got it. Just harder lib