This headline is based on responses to the question "what are your biggest worries about the future of Rust", not "are you worried about the future of Rust." So of course most of the respondents answered with a concern about the language.
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"don't quote the shouty bit; it's not all shouty"
Marcan pretty clearly isn't saying that feature requests wore him down. He's saying that people saying "what you've built so far isn't useful" wore him down.
(Plus, your original analogy about parents and children is completely lost by now.)
Not sure if this was intended as a response to me?
Presumably by people like Marcan working to make it happen, rather than by random people complaining it's not already done.
The bit you quoted from the post explicitly said "most x86 laptops", not "all".
That one actually seems plausible, if he ever learns about that whole thing
I wrote a longer reply with links, but somehow it didn't actually post; so this will be shorter and unsourced. Sorry about that.
There already was a discussion, over the course of several years, about whether to add Rust to the kernel. Linus merged rust/kernel into the mainline in 2022, and it was released in Linux 6.1. The patch that Hellwig opposed did not introduce Rust, it just added more Rust.
Hellwig also made it pretty clear that he wasn't open to discussion. If you read the thread, there were numerous attempts to "talk things over."
You may be right that Marcan's posts on Mastodon added nothing productive, though I honestly think there's some value in sharing behavior like Hellwig's with the broader programming community. But his posts in the actual mailing list seem pretty sensible, albeit provocatively worded.
Also, in case you didn't know, similar behavior (to Hellwig's) led the primary Rust for Linux maintainer, Wedson Almeida Filho, to step down back in August. Marcan is correct that the anti-R4L maintainers are successfully demoralizing the R4L people.
it's old man screaming at cloud
Not exactly -- part of the point of that idiom is that the old man is powerless, and the cloud ignores him. But Hellwig is using his authority as a maintainer to make things more difficult for R4L with his "explicit NACK".
this drama Martin is doing in social media is pretty much pointless.
Well, maybe, and if you haven't seen it already, Linus chastised him for that. Several people have spoken up to say that Martin has done this sort of thing before.
But on the other hand, arguably it is important for people who don't read the Linux kernel mailing list to hear when things like this happen; and if Martin hadn't posted about it, how would we have known about it? Would The Register have written the summary that they did?
Martin isn’t even relevant! He’s just for the popcorn, like the rest of us! Free kernel development popcorn!
I'm not sure why he phrased things that way, because he was a maintainer of ARM/APPLE, which relies on R4L, until he decided to step down following Linus's reprimand. So no, he wasn't just an outside observer.
...do those changes proposed by the project affect the stable branch now?
Not sure which changes you mean, exactly, but the rust/kernel folder in the patch set does indeed already exist in the stable branch.
So...I'm not sure what that implies about the statement? "Someone probably believes X about Y" isn't just true for any Y, it's true for any X.
I think you might just be misreading the original post. It could be rephrased as: "all developers who dislike TypeScript and Tailwind either haven't used them or aren't skilled with them." If you could say that about anything, it would mean that developers never dislike tools with which they are skilled. I'm saying that's clearly not the case.
I agree with Linus's argument here. I also think the selected quotes are the main points in that argument, not just "inflammatory minor excerpts."