BatmanAoD

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[–] BatmanAoD@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago

Oh, that makes much more sense; thanks.

[–] BatmanAoD@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think the point of the question is what a hypothetical ideal language for CI/CD pipelines would look like.

[–] BatmanAoD@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The post doesn't say "imperative", it just differentiates between defining pipeline steps and defining the logic within a step.

...also, TCL? I haven't used it for ops, but my memory of tcl/tk is extremely negative.

...also also: a core part of a build, CI, or, CD pipeline is almost always invoking binaries to run a command. That's why shell scripts are so ubiquitous in pipeline-logic: invoking binaries is what they're for. And it's very difficult to do that a declarative way: Make comes close, but it's difficult to track any side-effects that aren't "update these files", and a huge amount of CI/CD is no longer just "update a file".

[–] BatmanAoD@programming.dev 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

https://askubuntu.com/q/641049

TL;DR: it's supposed to send email to an administrator, but by default on some distros (including Ubuntu), it isn't actually sent anywhere.

[–] BatmanAoD@programming.dev 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

This misunderstands the announcement completely.

What the announcement is saying is: previously, if you wanted Gemini to have access to text and chat apps, you also needed to enable Gemini Apps Activity, i.e. the feature that saves all Gemini interactions to the cloud. Now, the settings to enable or disable app access from history tracking are fully separate, so you can have app access enabled (if you want) even if the Apps Activity feature is disabled.

[–] BatmanAoD@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you mean Dan Luu, or one of the studies reviewed in the post?

[–] BatmanAoD@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I understand that Option and Maybe aren't new, but they've only recently become popular. IIRC several of the studies use Java, which is certainly safer than C++ and is technically statically typed, but in my opinion doesn't do much to help ensure correctness compared to Rust, Swift, Kotlin, etc.

[–] BatmanAoD@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I don't know; I haven't caught up on the research over the past decade. But it's worth noting that this body of evidence is from before the surge in popularity of strongly typed languages such as Swift, Rust, and TypeScript. In particular, mainstream "statically typed" languages still had null values rather than Option or Maybe.

[–] BatmanAoD@programming.dev 6 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Note that this post is from 2014.

[–] BatmanAoD@programming.dev 10 points 1 month ago

Partly because it's from 2014, so the modern static typing renaissance was barely starting (TypeScript was only two years old; Rust hadn't hit 1.0; Swift was mere months old). And partly because true evidence-based software research is very difficult (how can you possibly measure the impact of a programming language on a large-scale project without having different teams write the same project in different languages?) and it's rarely even attempted.

[–] BatmanAoD@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Notably, this article is from 2014.

[–] BatmanAoD@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago

It's valid usage if you go waaay back, i.e. centuries. You also see it in some late 19th/early 20th century newsprint and ads.

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